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NYPD faces backlash as it prepares to encrypt radio communications | New York | The Guardian
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Here? No. I keep my online and personal lives separate. That would be directly tying what are essentially two different people together.
Are you willing to put your license plate on a piece of paper and display it on your house? What about your address on your car? Your name on your car, house, phone number?
All this info is already there. You can find it all yourself, or pay like $15 to have a company do it for you, and you’ll get a boatload more. Employer history, address history, vehicle history, current phone number, current address, and more.
I guarantee this info is all readily available in other countries as well, though I admit the legality of general public getting their hands on it may be in question.
I wouldn't want any of my info being broadcasted to public without my specific approval. Especially connected to other info like a specific situations with police, medical info, whatever might come up. Imagine being a victim and on top of the shittyness of that having all your info just broadcasted out like that.
You said license plates were public info you were fine with being broadcasted in public. Not sure why you're hesitating now.
I'm being facetious. Of course I know. Nobody wants that shit being broadcasted out without their approval. Imagine if I just shared your address or license plate. The audience here is undoubtedly smaller than what you'd get with NYC police radio, but still.
Why would a victims information be broadcast over the radio? And why would it matter? “Omg someone on the other side of town is going to know I got stabbed I’m so embarrassed!”
It’s not like they are sitting there over the radio giving a deep dive on the person.
That’s like saying “if we were talking face to face you’d be comfortable introducing yourself by name, why are you hesitating now?”
The audience here is gigantic. This is a public website, accessible without credentials, stored in perpetuity on any number of websites. And this is a username which has received death threats, among other threats.
On the other hand, anyone who knows my real name can just look up my address, assuming they know any number of secondary pieces of info. Literally saying “Hi I’m Kairu Byte from Beverly Hills” would likely be enough info to get my exact address. Or, just punch my license plate into a website.
I get that you feel like that info is private in the real world, but it really isn’t. Not in the slightest.
It can cause further harm to the victim for their information to be broadcasted out. A lot of victims wouldn't want their information and that of the situation to be shared, obviously. And it would be broadcasted because police report what they're doing over the radio, ask for confirmation or checkups and all that. Here it wouldn't matter so much because of encryption, with unecrypted traffic that sort of normal radio traffic would be obviously problematic.
No, the radio traffic is unencrypted and broadcasted out to everyone who wants to listen. That's the whole problem.
The radio traffic is broadcasted unencrypted to everyone willing to listen, indiscriminately. It's not one to one. And people share that online too. I know I've listened to a few streams. It's very much like writing shit online. Someone just needs to pick the right website and you're set.
It's not like talking face to face, it's yelling across a busy market place, with some people recording and broadcasting everything people are yelling.
Listen to a large cities broadcast for a while, there’s no crazy info being shared. There’s no reason for a cop to be talking about a victim beyond general terms where PII is concerned for the most part. They take that info down, but that’s about it. They aren’t saying “Mary sue at 411 Texas Roadhouse Drive, the 41 year old woman who drives a red sedan, was stabbed by her dog.” They’re going to say “requesting ems for a stab wound near Texas Roadhouse drive and Kentucky fried chicken way.”
And again, all of that info is available to the public regardless. Unless the cops are doing their job wrong and/or doing shady shit at least. You can even FOIA body cam footage, which is going to contain all that radio chatter anyway.
They probably have to be (or try to be) vague about it, sending info through other means because it's unencrypted and broadcasted to everyone. But when I listened to, there were addresses, license plates, what was happening and so on. You need to exchange some level of info, would be pointless to have the radios otherwise. And when exchanging such info, better to have it be encrypted.
And yet you're unwilling to indiscriminately broadcast the info here. Even if you don't seem to knowingly recognize the difference between the info being public in some form and broadcasting it indiscriminately to anyone wanting to listen, you don't want to share it here because you know it's different.
I’ve had my license plate run before, it’s been broadcast over the county radio system, and I couldn’t care less.
I’ve also had my name in the newspaper, again I don’t really care.
I’d be more than happy telling random people offline my license plate number, because I don’t care.
In fact, I myself have said my license plate number over an open radio frequency.
But you’re essentially asking me to dox myself and remove my online anonymity, which is a major difference. It’s not comparable to having the info randomly said over an open radio, it just isn’t.
You know what else I would do over a radio, but not here? Announce my name. Mention the city I live in. Say my address. All specifically because I’m using this username.
Now, if this was legitimately anonymous, impossible to trace, a username not connected to me? Fuck yeah, I’d say my license plate. Because it would be meaningless. A drop in the bucket of millions of license plates. But you’re asking me to connect my identities.
The difference you’re talking about is all down to level of effort. On one hand I can listen to a radio, on the other I submit a form online (and get a hell of a lot more detail.)
I'm asking you to broadcast your license plate on open internet with enough info to connect it to a certain situation, as might happen when stuff is said on radio for anyone to hear. Sucky situation, especially if you're a victim of a crime.
They should've encrypted it a long ago.
I think you’re well aware that a username with death threats, linking with a real identity, is much different than broadcasting “run this license plate is it clean?”
And why exactly are we broadcasting the license plate of a victim?…