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Yeah thanks for trying I'm still confused but I think I kind of understand. Out of curiosity about how old are you? Most younger millennials and gen y that I interact with seem to not really care about gender and what you are saying seems like pretty common sentiment I'm those age groups. I think the part I'm confused about is like why this is controversial? I've miss gendered people several times and no one's gotten ever mad or really cared since it's not being done I'm mean or cruel way.
I'm a white cis male so I'm so confused about what the deal with caring so much about it is among some loud conservatives? Like the only people I see or hear about making it a problem are people being jerks in a professional environment and making it a big deal when literally no one cares if you are being nice and treating people like humans.
Mid twenties.
People don't like it when other people don't agree with them, especially when they've decided to stake their own personal self worth onto it.
Nobody has ever cared likely because you yourself don't particularly care. That's not an insult, to be clear. What I mean is that you aren't trying to make a statement or anything, you're just going along with the flow. And I do that plenty because there's a time and place for activism and it isn't all the time and everywhere. But I encounter a huge amount of friction when I do try to make a point, especially with how fucking jumpy a lot of people are about it.
To put it in overly simplistic terms, the traditionalists hate that I oppose their strict gender norms, the trans crowd hates that I oppose their self-identity bullshit.
For a lot of people, "treating [them] like humans" constitutes subservience to the standards they put forward.
Thanks that actually clarified this for me! 😊
Honestly the whole thing annoys me and no one shuts up about it... I hate culture war bullshit.
I feel like a lot of people didn't play enough pokemon as a kid to have some words of wisdom carved into their brains "There's a time and place for everything, but not now". Like there's absolutely a time and place for discussions over social politics. it isn't omnipresent
Everything everywhere being culture war gets annoying really quickly. I feel like it was way easier to ignore a decade ago or talk though the issue. I also think the country is so divided and every culture/social issue gets turned into a wedge issue.
There's no way to even have productive conversations anymore without weird political purity tests from all sides.
I wish there was a way to get more cross political solitary. We could get so much done as a country. I feel like most people want the same things at the end of the day.
Like I love guns and gun things but most gun people and gun talk on the internet and in meat space is just weird culture war stuff. I should be able to go to the gun range without having to talk about or pass some weird political purity test... It's just so off-putting. I want to shoot my guns not listen to someone's feelings about children's gentiles...
Also I think if the gun community was more inviting people could have proper discussions on things like background checks or how to regulate guns or whatever without it turning into ban extended magazines or ban x because x... More nuance is needed by all sides but it's hard to do when everyone just screams at each other.
Everyone is in bubbles it's really bad for society.
I think people are really bad at judging what the other side believes or thinks.
Anyways I hope we don't have a civil war it will be really bad and bloody... We need a release valve.
And on guns, I don't understand why people with the strongest feelings on not regulating guns are also people who do not own guns in my personal experience... It's really weird to me.