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It doesn't make sense if the ticketing revenue is less than the expense of administering a ticketing system, plus issuing passes to all residents.
That's before you consider those visitors are being encouraged to drive instead of taking transit which costs the taxpayers more!
The visitors are encouraged to drive? You sure about that? I mean in most bigger European cities tourists will use public transport. Its not at all convenient to rent a car just for driving within city limits.
Also, you talk about the cost of the ticketing system as if they had to remake it from scratch, they just need to maintain the current one.
If you're not incentivizing them to take transit, you're encouraging them to drive.
Which is not an insignificant expense. Fair gates need to be maintained, residential status verified, etc.
Ok, I don't think you have ever been to big European cities, this is not how people have their priorities cut out when visiting. But I can see that discussing this further leads nowhere, since you don't believe me and I don't believe you.
Thanks for your civility. My whole premise is predicated on questions neither of us can answer. You're quite right that I've never been to Europe (only England and Wales as an infant), but I feel my studies of urbanism and transit provide some insight. Thanks for the pleasant chat.
Honestly, the only tourists that will really use a car are from «close» cities such Marseille or Toulouse. And they will choose the car because the Intercités train service is garbage, which has nothing to do with Montpellier's public transports.
I don't know about France, but the Netherlands requires that everyone register with their local town council, so determining residency here would be a simple matter of showing your ID (which is also required). So that at least should be no extra cost.
Sure, but even that's not cost free as you either have staff/equipment verifying IDs to allow entry to platforms. In the case of roadside stops, you're increasing dwell time to verify IDs, which extends the route time, which means more drivers and vehicles to provide the same service level
I think that you misunderstood the requirement. You go to town hall and they give you a transit pass; the same pass they use now. There is nobody checking ID on the transport itself.
Then it's a cost to issue transit passes and check them...
It would be easier to make public transport free and add more to the tourist taxes paid by hotels