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Biden: I ‘didn’t ask for a ceasefire’ in today’s ‘private conversation’ with Netanyahu
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Both sides need to be willing to have lasting peace in order for this to be a legitimate discussion. Notably Hamas has rejected the last ceasefire offer, after breaking the last agreement, and states plainly they do not want peace and will not stop until Israel is no more.
Why are we hellbent on asking Israel to just sit and take it?
Stop killing innocents =/= "sit and take it"
If Israel had conducted this war in a reasonable fashion and actually focused on Hamas they wouldn't be facing this criticism. 1,200 dead on October 7th. 20,000+ dead in Gaza. Isn't this enough?
Rockets are still shot at Israel. They had a fairly large barrage the other day. Will that stop under your cease fire?
Or is it Israel ceases and Hamas fires?
Yes of course. That's what it means
Then tell Hamas, because it takes two, and they ain't dancing.
Maybe if Israel indiscriminately bombs some more civilians Hamas will change their mind and start dancing?
So if Israel stops then Hamas will stop and return all the hostages. That's quite a fairy tale.
Renoved under rule 3, keep it civil.
Removed under rule 3, keep it civil.
Removed under rule 3, keep it civil.
Anyone you disagree with does not get a logical argument. They get name calling,
I prefer to be realistic and acknowledge both sides have to agree and forcing a ceasefire, which you can't, on one won't do much good. Thanks for the name calling, BTW.
What do you think Israel should be doing to lower the number of innocent civilians killed?
They're already doing way more to prevent civilian deaths than most people would expect, conversely hamas goes out of their way to kill innocent civilians every chance they get.
Maybe not bomb hospitals and apartments? Funnel fleeing civilians through active combat zones? Maybe not force Palestinians off of their properties?
Hamas is committing atrocities that are par for the terrorism course. We should t expect them to play by the rules.
Isreal is a globally recognized and sanctioned government, committing genocide and war crimes.
Both sides need to stop.
I want them to just fucking stop until they've figured out how to accomplish their purported mission without going full Holocaust, unless of course that is their mission. It's their fucking job, not mine.
I think that's an unfair representation of what Israel is doing.
A lot more fair that what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
What I mean is that comparing an occupation to the holocaust is unfair because the Arab citizens of Israel aren't treated as second class citizens, they arent isolated in ghettos and they certainly aren't being rounded up and placed in concentration camps.
If Gaza and the West Bank want the violence to stop they need to make strides towards peace, otherwise why would Israel just hand them autonomy on a silver platter if it means 100+ more October 7ths?
Hey look, it's 2001 George Bush everyone. This will surely not end in disaster!
What was true in 2001 as it is now, is that it takes two to tango.
In other words: an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and Israel is engaging in terrorist activity just the same and to a greater scale.
But the other use is right, and it's no surprise. Here's a prime minister who's been in power as long as Putin and a part of the same neoconservative right-wing nationalist bent as the puppeteers of Bush.
Netanyahu and right-wing extremists in Israel have no interest in settling this. That was proven when a right-wing Israeli nationalist assassinated the former prime minister who sought to resolve the conflict in earnest.
No. It takes two to make a ceasefire. That's the truth and it always has been.
A ceasefire in 2001...?