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The question is will any purple states follow it. Trump was never going to win Colorado or California.
There's about a hundred different outcomes to this election that scare the shit out of me, but the one I'm stressed about tonight is the possibility that even after this, it'll make no difference, and then it'll be abused later on by red states in reverse.
We impeached Trump, they retaliated by trying to impeach Biden on weak pretense. We drop Trump from a ballot in blue states, they'll drop Biden in red states on some false pretense. Etc etc.
Even if it doesn't happen that way, it will take another form. I guess what I'm worried about isn't this specific event and it's fallout, it's the pattern of behavior. A democratic system can not operate when an entire party is hellbent on participating in bad faith, and increasingly willing to burn everything rather than accept a loss. No matter what twists and turns we take, it feels like it's heading toward the same eventual breaking point.
Which is why Democrats were doormats for so long. They were very aware of this and made concessions to maintain democracy.
Of course that didn't work. It's clearly not just a phase.
We can't just keep getting run over to maintain some false sense of decorum.
In regards to impeachment, there's precedent that impeachment for BS reasons doesn't resonate well with voters. Clinton was impeached for BS reasons (the process started with investigating his finances, before Monica Lewinski even worked in the white House). The following election, Democrats won a decent number of seats in congress despite Republicans expecting a Blue blood bath because of impeachment. Same with Trump, he was impeached twice (both of which Republicans said was BS), yet independents still voted for and continue to vote for Democrat candidates. I feel even Republicans know this, which is why McCarthy and McConnel, as well as other Republicans, feel this is a bad idea.
I feel like if this becomes a partisan trend of states whose reps/governors are up for election just kicking trump off the ballot it will only embolden his most angry voters, and energize those who are like, “well, I don’t care for the man, but I think the democrats are just out of control.” They don’t have to learn shit about the legal reasoning—in fact, they won’t. You have to assume no one will learn anything and they’ll just get the spin aimed at them. This serves as a boost to trump, i think
This is what truly matters.
We have to all agree on following the law faithfully/honestly, or else the center will not hold.
And things will fall apart, right?
It's from a poem...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem)
I don't think it matters if he would win those states as much as it may suppress MAGA turnout in those states, which ATM is a good thing.
I agree, but republican states need to find a legal way to remove Biden from the bailouts, if not I am sure that no matter what they try they will fail. Well I hope.
Maybe a few less votes as there are a fair amount of trump voters who can't spell his name on the write in?
30k people will vote for turnip in 2024.
I mean, red turnip may be rotten, but you wouldn't want blue turnip to get in.
There's one other thing to consider, that states where banning him makes no difference doing so will spark the fire of the reds in the purple states, making them vote more furiously.