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Lemmy.world Should Defederate with Threads (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (23 children)

The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:

Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.
By closing down with Threads, you'll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.
By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say "hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

yes, very misguided. I always loved the idea of browsing "All" and see all top brands with millions of engagement promoting their products

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I thought users could block instances now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

So yes but not exactly. It's not as effective as you would think that an instance block would be if it doesn't block the users. That's not even addressing the fact that Lemmy's blocking isn't even really blocking it's more along the lines of muting, it's just named blocking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

AP does not allow for the pushing of ads.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

that's irrelevant. Nothing prevents the influencers to promote their products as they do in all the popular platforms. You're thinking only in terms of ads as coming from an ad server but this is not necessarily the case.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

that's irrelevant

You're complaining about ads that are being pushed on you by an algorithm from ad companies. I'm telling you there are no ad companies. Seems relevant.

Nothing prevents the influencers to promote their products as they do in all the popular platforms.

Nothing prevents them from doing that right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’re complaining about ads that are being pushed on you by an algorithm from ad companies. I’m telling you there are no ad companies. Seems relevant.

I never typed the word "ad". I specifically said post of top brands. How can this be achieved in ActivityPub? Easy. When you are using lets say Threads, their proprietary system treats differently ads and normal posts. However, anything their system is pushing on the federated network (ActivityPub) is disguised as a normal post. A post that is having millions of engagement will be visible in "All".

Nothing prevents them from doing that right now.

You act like you're new to internet. What prevents them is that their audience is not here and companies are not paying them for that. However companies will pay them to promote their products in Threads. With the current numbers, Threads has the potential to dominate the "All" page.

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