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I don't see why you would call any catholic leader "Trump loyal". Trump has nothing to do with this (isn't he supposed to be protestant btw?).
What's happening is the Vatican apparently trying to clean itself up a bit. Not really sure if there is anything to expect from it but it's a start.
It's a pretty accurate descriptor of some catholic leaders unfortunately, including some who were outspoken and trying to whip up their followers with lies about the 2020 election.
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/01/12/capitol-riot-congress-trump-catholic-bishops-james-martin-239697
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/opinions/catholic-clerics-who-backed-trump-big-lie-moses/index.html
And yes it is a weird situation. Especially since Biden is actually the catholic candidate.
https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/distinctly-catholic/evangelical-catholic-alliance-becomes-conspiracy-theory-carnival
I am glad the Vatican is trying to clean house a bit though. Some of the people being removed by Francis are those in the articles above, like Strickland.
I understand some clerics did back Trump. It just seemed a bit weird to use this as the main qualifier here. But your point about some of them being removed stands, fair enough.
Totally get you. And he's certainly taken many anti corruption actions that have nothing to do with Trump or America too.
The Catholic subreddits were filled with bile filled people praising Trump and wringing their hands at othering the queer community. Honestly one of the worst places I saw when I was on reddit.
Yeah thatβs not surprising. Catholicism has gotten quite a few converts by being the conservative religion with aesthetic in America in the 21st century.
Itβs definitely not the religion of the Jesuits who taught me as a teenager that however god made you is good and that learning more about the world is a holy act anymore
Religious conservatives are a breed apart that is for sure ...
Yup. They would nakba the fuck out of everyone here on Lemmy given the slightest opportunity. They're dangerous af.
For most Catholics, abortion is the only issue that exists, so that's not surprising.
Taking into account the Pope had to outright fire a bishop in Texas because he went full MAGA (including speaking at Trump supporter rallies trying to overturn an election result), I wouldn't say he doesn't have anything to do with it.
What I meant is that this is purely a power struggle within the Church. The main matter is not Trump but mostly loyalties within the Catholic church. That some bishops are insane enough to support people like Trump is a symptom (and a rather telling one) but not the dividing line here.