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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So a distinction needs to be made here:

Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn't include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.

That is to say, October 7th wasn't simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don't have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.