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With Meta starting to actually implement ActivityPub, I think it would be a good idea to remind everyone of what they are most likely going to do.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 11 months ago (16 children)

fwiw, XMPP/Slack/Discord/etc basically solve the same problem that IRC already solved. Software Engineers just reinvent the wheel again and again as everyone loves a green field.

That said, Meta cannot be trusted. They're going to do a year or two of embrace and extend, pretending to be good citizens. Then they will invent some crisis that causes them to want to de-federate, likely that content on other servers is not moderated to their standards or that convoluted features of their extended protocol are not being met. This take seems pretty spot on to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No.

  • I want to send messages to people who are not currently online (having a server stay online for you is a desparate hack and not a solution)
  • I want to send media other than text
  • I want my messages to be e2ee
  • I want presence - e.g. know if someone is available, busy, away
  • I want voice/video calls

and many more...

None of these were solved by IRC but by the others you mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Sure, but all of those things could have been done by extending the existing protocol.

Also, fwiw, it has had media sends, presence and support for encryption for a very long time. The rest could be added. All of those things could have very well been an IRC client with a couple of extra features and a server upgrade to queue messages.

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