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Climate-vulnerable nations’ hopes that the world was on the cusp of an agreement to rapidly phase out the use of fossil fuels at the COP28 climate summit were shattered when a new draft text emerged from negotiations drastically watering down such language.

Australian Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen, speaking on behalf of the Umbrella Group of nations, which includes the United States, the United Kingdom, Norway and Canada, told the COP that the group could not sign the agreement as it stood.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I suspect no significant change will occur until wealthy people from wealthy countries are forced to abandon homes in coastal areas, or some similar worldwide phenomenon occurs.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It all comes down to food. Once we have a collapse of global food supply there will be revolts.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It'll be far too late to save global society by then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

If it gets to that point... do we really deserve to be saved?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What good has society provided to the natural world? We have an extinction event named after us. We deserve our fates, and the earth and the rest of the galaxy will be better off without the plague that is humans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The wealthy will get government bailouts that they'll use to displace people in some place that's currently safe and rich in resources.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, very much so. And essentially the whole of the US eastern seaboard and a lot of the western seaboard (where it's beach and not cliffs). However, many are second and third homes that people can afford to lose, so I don't know if sea rise provides the proper amount of impetus for change. But I do know some people who have or who are planning to sell waterfront properties in anticipation of possibly being stuck with worthless or non-existent property, so maybe. But they are mostly people for whom the loss while not poverty-inducing, would be a major financial hit.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wealthy cities can build seacoast walls, assuming they're even needed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they have indoor ice skating rinks. pretty sure they'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Most countries have indoor ice skating rinks. They have a big indoor ski resort.

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