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Apple responds to the Beeper iMessage saga: ‘We took steps to protect our users’ (www.theverge.com)

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Apple's biggest crimes here are creating a proprietary platform with an exclusive protocol and making it the default messaging protocol on their devices. None of this is really new, though. All that shit is common. We need Signal or Matrix to improve in user-friendliness and even do some marketing to the point where they become viable solutions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The default messaging protocol is SMS. Unless you are talking with another Apple user

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can send pictures and video over SMS that are viewable anywhere. An iMessage user can only send a patch of 64 color changing macro blocks with some audio. While it's technically true it's the default. it's purposefully degraded to the point of unusability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Really? That seems odd. I’ve never had a problem sending reasonable quality photos to Android users and I can’t see a business reason why Apple would degrade image sending purposefully- it would drive its own users to get third party apps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

iMessage degrades images and video on MMS regardless of the capability of the network.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I don't think that's correct - and I can't find anything that substantiates the claim with a quick Google. Source?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The photos are less the issue than videos. But they definitely reduce the size of them far more than other clients do. At least for non iPhone/ iMessage users. It gets so bad that family doesn't share videos with many of us anymore because of how difficult it is to use something other than iMessage. Or Facebook. But that's a whole other problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I can’t see a business reason why Apple would degrade image sending purposefully- it would drive its own users to get third party apps.

Depends on what the majority of people are using.

In markets where iPhone users are not in the majority, that's exactly what's happening: iPhone users are switching to third party apps.

If iPhones users are in the majority, though, then people will just default to iMessage, and non-Apple phones get associated with poor messaging quality. Which creates social pressure for non-iPhone users to buy an iPhone.

So it makes perfect business sense for Apple to degrade the messaging quality when a non-Apple phone joins the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

in other words: the default messaging protocol is imessage, unless that's impossible, in which case it falls back to sms.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am not an Apple fanboy at all, I have used iPhones for work previously.

RCS debuted three years before iMessage, Apple developed iMessage because no one could get RCS standards together. We still don't have this, Google has theirs, Samsung has another. Not all manufacturers support it and neither do all carriers. In my country it does not exist.

I use SimpleX, but when I used a company iPhone, iMessage worked very well, and it worked everywhere regardless of carrier. RCS does not 15 years after its introduction.

None of this is to say there should not be interoperability, clearly there should be. Historically at least, the blame lies with Google and mobile carriers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I'm not letting Google off the hook, but Apple could also open the standard for iMessage and bypassed the whole problem. But they'd rather lock in customers than allow everyone to communicate securely and effectively.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

More marketing would be nice

As for features, an easy remote backup solution (similar to be bettet than WhatsApp) is the big one for me. Especially on iOS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Android has an easy remote backup system built in. You can save a file to any location, including cloud locations, as long as the cloud service provider plugs into the API. Signal actively disables this feature because they would rather spite users than risk even the shadow of a chance that a user upload an encrytped backup to an internet service that could theoretically then be hacked and hypothetically maybe one day decrypted.

Matrix doesn't have this issue, it just stores encrypted messages on servers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure about Signal being the one, then we just give the power from one company (Apple) to another (Signal). If we want to improve then we should push open protocols where people can host their own infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ideally, I agree. In practice, until federation / decentralization is completely transparent to the end user (unless they choose otherwise), it'll never be adopted at a large scale. IMO that's one of the main obstacles of Lemmy, Mastodon, and others.

Signal is only relatively popular among the privacy-respecting options because setting it up is as easy as setting up WhatsApp. Just by adding a "choose your instance" step, you can cut your user base by an order of magnitude. And that's not mentioning the quality of service, which is much more achievable on a centralized platform, whether that's in terms of feature parity, uptime, bug fixes, or cross-platform support.