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And what exactly is wrong with burning Hydrogen?
I can understand if your concerns are to do with storing and transporting hydrogen. But what's your problem with burning it?
News last month shows how much bs Twiggy is spinning.
Fortescue has quietly scrapped plans for a multibillion-dollar wind and solar farm that was a centrepiece of its plan to decarbonise the company’s iron ore operations in Western Australia.
https://www.afr.com/companies/mining/fortescue-dumps-vast-wa-wind-solar-farm-project-20231105-p5ehna
This has nothing to do with burning hydrogen. If you are just throwing it out there as another "Twiggy bad" thing, ok. I'm not really defending the guy.
You see a rich guy doing something good with his money and just shit all over him as "greenwashing" and "spin" for PR points. You may even be right. I don't know.
I see a rich guy doing something good with his money and want to encourage that behavoiur. More of this, please. A lot more. Spend money on pipedream green projects - maybe you'll get them streamlined enough to be sustainable! It sure beats spending billions on more iron ore mines. If every Billionaire started throwing their money at green projects, it can only be good for the planet.
G A S
Burning gas to produce the hydrogen.
I don't know how to make it any clearer.
You don't burn gas to produce hydrogen. You generate power with wind/solar, then run that power as an electrical current through water to separate out the oxygen and hydrogen atoms. No gas is burned.
This is not new technology: every nuclear submarine has been doing this to make oxygen since forever (not with renewable energy, of course).
You can use gas and other fossil fuels to produce hydrogen, but you can obviously use renewables too, amongst other methods. https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2021/may/green-blue-brown-hydrogen-explained
There has been a decent greenwashing campaign to try to disguise that a lot of hydrogen in the hydrogen mix is produced using fossil fuels. This is to try and enable greater use of hydrogen technologies over other solutions, eg EVs vs hydrogen cars, and keep money flowing to the fossil fuel barons. Unfortunately, we do need to be careful when we hear the blanket phrase 'hydrogen', rather than 'green hydrogen' specifically.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/07/31/is-hydrogen-just-oil-and-gas-greenwashed/?sh=203dcf3fca04
This article is from 2021 but I imagine the percentage of grey hydrogen in the hydrogen production mix is still up towards what is stated in the below quote. The context for the quote is in the lead up to the Tokyo Olympics, Tokyo was using hydrogen buses.
I keep demonstrating that there is no wind or solar to use in WA. That then leaves only fossil fuel sources like G A S.
G A S
Are you just trolling?
That is the greenwash you have either been sucked into or are trying to gaslight us with.
Twiggy has shown no intention of using renewables. The whole point for him is to use the stranded assets of the COVID gas led recovery (another scam).
When has anything ever been about WA? The very link you posted said he was doing his green hydrogen experiment in QLD.
I don't see any connection in this new link you've spewed up. It appears to be about a mothballed gas pipeline. You think it's a bad thing if he finds a use for this pipeline? Would you prefer that he build another pipeline? This pipeline appears to be in NSW, I don't get its relevance.