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Professors from across the country have long been lured to Florida's public colleges and universities, with the educators attracted to the research opportunities, student bodies, and the warm weather.

But for a swath of liberal-leaning professors, many of them holding highly coveted tenured positions, they've felt increasingly out of place in the Sunshine State. And some of them are pointing to the conservative administration of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis as the reason for their departures, according to The New York Times.

DeSantis, who was elected to the governorship in 2018 and was easily reelected last fall, has over the course of his tenure worked to put a conservative imprint on a state where moderation was once a driving force in state politics. In recent years, DeSantis has railed against the current process by which tenure is awarded, and with a largely compliant GOP-controlled legislature, he's imposed conservative education reforms across the state.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They won't. They don't want universities, because that implies more education.

What I suspect will probably happen is the universities will shrink or close, and/or lose their accreditation, further increasing their brain drain.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What I don’t understand is why no politician who’s against this has proposed an education act under the guise of national security.

What republicans are doing with education is very dangerous. Stupid voters are easy to manipulate, which seems to be the goal, but they have to do more than vote for the other 364 days a year. Having a poorly educated population means you have less engineers designing infrastructure, less trades people building that infrastructure, less doctors to treat injured and ill people, and less skilled professionals overall. The US is largely in the economic and geopolitical position that is in due to the manufacturing and research capacity we had after WW2. For decades, the US was where people went if they wanted to be at the bleeding edge of design/research, because we had very good higher education and the skilled manufacturing to bring those designs to life. Attacking education only hastens the decline of that legacy. A few decades like this means the US will no longer be able to make the advanced military equipment used to project power across the world, or US companies not being able to find people who can maintain, improve, and innovate on products without hiring foreign contractors. If Desantis’ attacks become a national thing, they’ll be putting the US on a fast track to rapid decline and economic collapse.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with what you've said, but you're missing something. Look at the U.S. as a whole. The brains who leave Florida aren't generally going to Canada. They're coming to California, or going to other more liberal, better educated, states.

Further, kids who grew up in the better-off states will continue to pursue higher education.

Republicans don't need to control the entire population. Just enough of them

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

If Desantis’ attacks become a national thing, they’ll be putting the US on a fast track to rapid decline and economic collapse.

I doubt that's the goal for many of them (because who wants to rule a castle that's crumbled), but they have a fair number of accelerationists in their ranks who see Republicans as useful to their own goals.

As much as we try to paint them all as a fascist monolith, they have their own subgroups with their own awful end goals, and once the rapid decline has started, it is a lot easier for them to keep the momentum going.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re ignoring the big argument: less engineers and scientists to design and build next generation defense technology. America doesn’t give two shits until our ability to make bombs is threatened

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure that goes with “America won’t be able to field the advanced military equipment we use to project power across the world”

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You're right...but the core assumption is the Rs care about our place on the world stage. They don't.

Part of the overall plan for the Rs is isolationism. They want to close the boarders and pull out of our trade agreements. Hell, I think Trump wants us out of NATO.

If we are alone over here on our big ass island, the people will be dumber, desperate, and much easier to brainwash.

The big picture is dystopian order for the US.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It's ok, Florida's going under the water anyway. Let reasonable people while they can.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So any way you slice it, this is not a loss for Republicans, they're getting precisely what they want here. Unintended consequences? Probably, but they're too blinded by their belief in their own superiority to be able to imagine any.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just means that science communicators on the internet are becoming vitally important, so the young can still access quality information.

It might be a double edged sword, but unless Republicans can stem the flow of information on the internet (and they have and are trying different ways to do that), this is a battle that they have no chance of winning.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It just means that science communicators on the internet are becoming vitally important, so the young can still access quality information.

That'll only work until the Internet is drowned out by fake AI bot science videos and blogs, stressing certain narratives.

YouTube is already today fighting those videos, AI generated trash science stuff.

It's happening now, today. That's why I always rage against shills and bots, because it really will mean the death of communication for Humanity if it goes to its logical conclusion. And when Humanity doesn't communicate, War is not far behind.

can stem the flow of information on the internet (and they have and are trying different ways to do that), this is a battle that they have no chance of winning.

If you pollute the virtual 'Town Square' badly enough, those who want communication to not happen will win.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's worth mentioning that AI has a self correcting factor. If we can't tell what's AI output and what isn't, AI is going to be trained itself on AI output, which breaks it.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's good to remember that the "public square" is vast. Poisoning it isn't going to be as simple as poisoning 4chan.

Also, on the topic of AI, what if their information-gathering improves over time, too? Sure, there will be bad versions, but there are already bad human actors, and we've mostly learned how to identify and fact check them.

I think your scenario is certainly reasonable, but I don't think it's the only option, either. Plus, I've already seen people saying things like, "That sounds like an AI wrote it." Current and future generations may simply learn to detect AI and take any claims skeptically.

Either way, hard to say what the future holds with any real accuracy.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s good to remember that the “public square” is vast.

Well there's one Facebook, there's one Twitter/X, there's one Reddit (or two if you want to count Lemmy), etc. Not as vast as you might think.

Bots are very fast and inexpensive to use and can be done multiplicatively very easily.

I hope you're right, but I don't have your confidence in the future that you seem to do.