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We estimate that by 2025, Signal will require approximately $50 million dollars a year to operate—and this is very lean compared to other popular messaging apps that don’t respect your privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Would be interesting to see how this compares to XMPP or Matrix. Obviously the development costs something for each of those, but the hosting costs are spread out across each of those hosting an instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yup, that's a big reason why centralized protocols aren't sustainable. XMPP is 25 years old (which is older than almost anything else on the contemporary internet) and thriving. Unfortunately, judging by the cycle of messengers coming and dying, and people still being eagerly part of that, this isn't something that people value very much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

this isn't something that people value very much.

More likely something people don't even know about since no one is out there spending billions of dollars singing the song of XMPP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Forgive the ignorance but does xmpp have the same features as signal, particularly around e2e encryption?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's possible to implement XMPP with E2E encryption, there are at least 2 ways to do it.

But of course it only works if both users use a client and server that support it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Worth mentioning that most modern clients support omemo at this stage.