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Two Hamas gunmen open fire at Jerusalem bus stop, killing three (www.reuters.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Two Hamas members kill three in morning rush hour attack
Attackers were brothers, shot dead at the scene
Attack comes on seventh day of Gaza truce

JERUSALEM, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Two Hamas gunmen killed three people at a Jerusalem bus stop during morning rush hour on Thursday, and Israel reiterated its commitment to wiping out the Palestinian Islamist faction, whose Oct. 7 killing spree triggered the Gaza war.

The attackers, Palestinians from East Jerusalem, were shot dead by off-duty soldiers and an armed civilian, police said. At least eight people were also wounded in the shooting.

"The terrorists arrived at the scene by car in the morning, armed with an M-16 rifle and a handgun," police said. "The terrorists began shooting at civilians before subsequently being killed at the scene."

Hamas, which is sworn to Israel's destruction, claimed responsibility for the Jerusalem attack, deeming it "heroic".

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Hamas, which is sworn to Israel’s destruction, claimed responsibility for the Jerusalem attack, deeming it “heroic”.

So long as one side is very deliberately planning and praising the explicit targeted murder of civilians, this isn't going to end.

Israel is absolutely doing a lot of harm and it's by no means any kind of angel, but what it doesn't do is this. There is a meaningful difference between collateral damage and deliberate murder of civilians (even if that's not going to be any consolation to anybody affected by violence, of course)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I may get downvoted for this, but I don't know that I fully agree.

Collateral damage implies there were valid military targets being struck.

I know Hamas doesn't exactly have bunkers and sandbags to shoot at, but the imagery coming out of Gaza looked a lot like an entire nation rolling up to a metaphorical bus stop and cutting loose.

There is nothing just about what Hamas is doing or did here, and I'm so tired of having to include this caveat. But using an entire military industrial complex to perpetrate the same acts on a horrific and unimaginable scale doesn't qualify as collateral damage.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I agree. Hamas is evil and needs to be stopped, but Isreal clearly doesn't care about civilian casualties. They don't even seem to be pretending.

This is the definition of over-retaliation. Like if you compare the severity of the atrocities, it's like Hamas slapped Isreal in the face, so Isreal grabbed a hammer and started bludgeoning.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah Israeli leaders are planning and praising the explicit targeted murder of citizens. Netanyahu has supported Hamas for years because it delegitimizes the Palestinian state (and that source is The Times of Israel in case anyone thinks I'm being biased)

It boggles my mind that so many people don't see the far right Israeli government (that is so closely allied with America) is copying the George Bush War on Terror playbook.

I absolutely agree Hamas is a terrorist organization, but what the Israeli government is doing is far more sinister and evil. They're just playing the long game and hiding behind "collateral damage" so they can further their apartheid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I mean can we mention that the Israeli military literally absorbed multiple terrorist organizations into itself with ribbons patches and metals for..... Killing mostly civilians in the name of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

There is a meaningful difference between collateral damage and deliberate murder of civilians (even if that’s not going to be any consolation to anybody affected by violence, of course)

Yeah, the nation with superior technology gets to hide behind 'collateral damage' in an asymmetric war even if they kill (checks notes) 10x more civilians.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Finally someone else says the obvious

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

How can you call it "collateral damage" when you drop bombs on an inhabited city? That's intentionally targeting civilians.