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[–] [email protected] 91 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People are fighting ads and switching browsers.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 111 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Switching to what? Firefox. I don’t see the problem here. Install Firefox and forget those monopolistic enshitifying fucks.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

I went from Netscape to Mozzila and from Mozilla to Firefox and, guess what... my browser never fucked me up in the name of maximizing corporate profits.

Google was already a wholly untrustworth Ad Company With A Tech Arm back when they invented Chrome, and shit like this was already back then a question of WHEN, not IF.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

My recommendation is librefox and if you really want a chrome based alternative I'd suggest Thorium (although I don't know what thorium will do when this is implemented I'm hoping they don't follow it.)

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

For anyone interested, as of November 2023:

Web browsers using Gecko (Firefox's engine): GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox. Edit: and Fennec

Web browsers using the Goanna engine (which is a fork of Gecko): Pale Moon, Basilisk.

Flow is a web browser with its own proprietary browser engine.

The other active engines listed are: WebKit (Apple's engine), and Blink (Google's engine, which they forked off of WebKit, and which is used for Chrome, Chromium, and countless other browsers).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

I'd no idea there's a browser called Conkeror. That's prertty funny since WebKit was based off of KHTML used in KDE's Konqueror browser.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I use firefox, but Id never head of these alternatives.

Anyone who does have reviews? Pros, cons, reasons to use them beside variety?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Pale Moon still supports the even older extension model. I used it briefly until my extensions got updated to the newer format. I still kinda miss the old theme engine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I thought it was pronounced Kay Melly-on, so I never tried it because of the silly name.

Pihole will be unaffected.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every other Google Chromium fork will need to maintain an increasingly complex set of changes to the Google repository

Yet infinitely easier than building a new browser from the bottom up

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hear people say Chromium is bad for the web all the time but they all seem to think that Chromium = Chrome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Okay, would you like to elaborate beyond what I just said?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because using Chromium and Chromium-based browsers reinforces Chrome's market share dominance which will harm comparability as more and more sites will only be tested against Chrome and in many cases refuse to serve pages to other browsers without user agent string fuckery.

It also cultivates dependence on Google for the extension ecosystem, etc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Chromium source code is still controlled and gatekeept by Google

What? Chromium is open source. That's how Chromium-based browsers even exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see the disconnect now. You're mistaking "open source" for 'inherently good."

Uhhhh no you don't see anything. I didn't say anything like that.

the forks either have to either maintain an increasingly complex list of patches to apply to fix what Google does to Chromium (the browser that runs two thirds of the web) or simply accept it.

And they do the former.

So I ask again, what's the problem?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, you did. In your first comment in this thread.

If you're just going to blatantly and plainly lie about what I said, where everyone can see it, I'm not going to continue engaging with you. Bye now 👋

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which in no way resembles "open source is inherently good", but thank you for reading my comments back to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)