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The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That is what tons of folks fights against. But i agree it makes sense. However, is taking testosteron considered doping for females or is it OK? if it's OK, why other "chems" are not allowed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The testosterone for trans men is just to get to the levels that average cis men have, I'm pretty sure they test for excess testosterone. Some medication is allowed for sick athletes that is considered doping for anyone who isn't sick, like the therapy for increasing blood oxygen levels which is a common form of doping but is a valid treatment for some illnesses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Medication for sick people seems kinda different thing to me than being healthy and chumming chems to gain muscles.

So testosterone for female( born) athletes should be allowed until they reach avg male(born) level? Is that really a thing we want to introduce into sports ? Will steroids also count as getting to avg male upper muscle mass ? Where is the line? Won't that make female athletes either obsolete or force them to chems chumming which then can cause them health issues given that most of them propably don't plan to transition and might want start families etc?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For trans men they get like an injection of testosterone, they aren't getting it to play sports, it's medication for dysphoria. I haven't said anyone else other than trans men should be taking it and definitely nothing about steroids.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point i wanted to send across is that it gives athlete an advantage. So people will be incentivized to get it. And also those who do not get it will be at disadvantage. So if one form of chems advantage is allowed why others are not? Isn't that exactly the source of the issue here, fairness?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does it give athletes an advantage?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean? I explained it in the posts above. So shortly It's basic biolgy. E.g. testosterone makes changes in the body.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have the same testosterone levels as everyone you are competing against it doesn't give you an advantage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Intersting so female taking testosterone and female not taking it have same level of testosterone. I guess trans people are taking hormones needlessly if that is the true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? I said trans men take testosterone so their hormone levels would be on the same level as any other men competing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read it but you ignore what i said that is, some people may be incentivized to get the treatment, they don't need with aim to gain advantage. e.g. Female + testosterone in women sports or male identifying as women in women sports. In that sense it's similar to doping.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Women already get their testosterone tested to compete in the women's division in most sports and trans women don't seem to have any real advantage over other women after hormones so it doesn't seem to be an issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

if there was no issue we would not be talking about the topic in the first place. It seems that multiple sports organizations after mixing trans people with females in women categories lead to issues, I somehow don't believe that all of them figured it out of transphobia or something. Meaning there was issue in fairness.