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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 year ago (4 children)

These judges like Wallace are people too, with families who cannot hide behind anonymity like a high profile jury in a mob case. They've seen what Trump's Brown Shirts will do to those they don't like: anything from incessant threatening phone calls to attempted murder with a hammer. What an impossible position to be in: serve justice, or risk your family being stalk and possibly assaulted.

This is how democracy dies. It takes very brave people in power to stand up to someone like Trump.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on. That criminal could always have friends who plot revenge on the judge. And it does happen and judges are aware of it. So that's a poor excuse.

I also don't believe ruling against him will lead to a civil war or anything like that. Not when January 6th was a complete failure. Most Americans, even Trump supporters, aren't interested in picking up a gun and getting on the front lines.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on.

Not at the level of Trump, they don't.

What makes Trump unique is that he is the leader of a massive cult. Our retaliation and intimidation laws don't work so well against those kinds of people because they don't give direct messages to make something happen. They give public statements and weaponise the wackos who 'took things the wrong way'.

These wackos had the balls to storm the capitol. They won't think much about a judge's home.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cults, mafias, and terrorist organizations have been doing the "troublesome priest" routine for forever, and prosecutors judges and juries have been able to see through their bullshit and apply laws anyway. It isn't easy, and there's certainly lots of times those organizations (mafias in particular) have been able to corrupt or intimidate people, but it got done and it can be done again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This isn't like those. None of those even come close. Those have the power to maybe get someone, maybe even a few people, murdered. Trump's useful idiots were prepared to storm the capital and upend democracy in the USA, and they very nearly succeeded.

Trump doesn't operate like a traditional cult. There are no official cult power structures or communication channels. He just has to hold a press conference and let the mainstream media do its thing. He just needs to say 'we need to fight for our rights' and then mention a target in the vein of 'this person is a corrupt individual who undermines democracy' and they'll be at that person's house in thousands.

Which is why I wish they were much harsher on him when it came to violating gag orders.

Sure, they might be able to trace back evidence to pin on him. Years after the judge is dead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are giving them way too much power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

These are the same people that stormed the capitol and the same people a single member of which stormed a US senator's house and fucked up her husband with a hammer simply because Trump constantly shit talked about her.

No I am not giving these people too much power. They are dangerous and they don't know limits. They've proven this much.

The last time a cult tried anything approaching this level of magnitude, they ended up coining the term 'drinking the kool-aid'

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Heck, he doesn't even have to do anything. Trump could disappear for good and I bet his followers would come to their own conclusions and pull some shit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on

The difference here is scale, they don't usually have to worry about a third of the country hating their guts for making a decision

Nor is there a certainty in most cases that criminals will have people who want to harm a judge, unlike with Trump

Yes it's a threat they see often, but it's nowhere near the usual level they see it at and it's very understandable why someone might be legitimately terrified of the situation

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Judges can recuse themselves if that's how they feel. They don't have to be there if they don't want to be.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Understandable, but giving into terror is only going to bring more of it on you and everyone else too.

Also, I wonder if every soldier who ever got their life threatened or taken serving our military felt terror, and why their terror would be any less worthy than what these judges are feeling. Those judges took an oath to defend our country in their own way, and they need to make good on it.

This isn't easy, but it isn't complicated either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You either fight now or you fight later.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's going to SCOTUS anyway, no matter what the ruling is; why should a lower judge put themselves at grave personal risk?