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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yup most of the Western world is in the top 1 percent. The rest of the Western world benefits from it.

It's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Quoting Taylor Swift is.... an interesting choice when talking about climate changes.

Didn't her recent tour require 90+ semi trucks just to go from city to city? Not even going to mention all the emissions that result from whenever they have to travel by plane.

Yes, popular music acts that tour are a HUGE part of the problem.

Also, my bad I'm not tryna harp on you just because I recognized a song lyric. I'm a Taylor Swift fan myself. Well, more of a chiefs fan. And by value of the transitive property....

Edit: also apparently all air travel only accounts for about 2% of emissions. So while my point isnt technically wrong it's missing the forest for the trees

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t her recent tour require 90+ semi trucks just to go from city to city? Not even going to mention all the emissions that result from whenever they have to travel by plane.

Yes, popular music acts that tour are a HUGE part of the problem

They absolutely are not. 90 trucks is nothing.

At any given time there are millions of semis (2.97 million total) driving the streets. Literally every single thing you've ever purchased in your life has been on a semi.

90 trucks driving for a couple months is not significant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I already mentioned I was wrong about the air travel. I looked up the numbers and edited my comment immediately.

Yeah the trucks are a drop in the sea as well.

But stop kidding yourself that the 90 semi trucks is nothing. It's all pollution.

What other tour and/or concert is slipping around 90 semi trucks??

You bring up a good point that there are millions of semi trucks on the road. But that's ridiculous to compare her 90 semi trucks to all the trucks on the road

Let's compare her to other touring artists. To be honest I don't have the numbers off top of my head I'll have to look him up. But I was reading an article the other day about how her tour is one of the largest productions to date.

So no, her 90 trucks are not a huge part of the problem. That wording was wrong on my part. But among touring artist, she is easily one of the biggest polluters.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly 90 semi trucks are a tiny problem. So once we're down to pop acts, we solved climate issues already. Long solved.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

As I replied to other people, yes the wording was poor.

But, it's so silly to compare her fleet of semi trucks to all the semi trucks in the world. I mean wouldn't it make a bit more sense to compare her to other touring acts? Was just reading an article yesterday about how hers is one of the largest and most expensive tours ever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's nothing. If 90 trucks were a HUGE part of the problem we'd have solved that in an hour. The problem is in the millions of trucks, cars, ships, airplanes, plants, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yes my wording was terrible. you're right that it's the millions of other things constantly polluting that's the problem.

My point was just that her tour is one of the largest ever. Largest ever also means one of the most polluting ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

fwiw I used to live in India many years ago.

Was lucky enough to emigrate to the states when I was eight years old. We didn't have a car back then. My dad had a moped that we used a lot.

But yeah, I didn't use to be part of the problem. But now I am as well

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just how small do you think the western world is? The US alone is 330 million, which is 4% of the world's population.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the EU is 450M.

By the numbers a bit less than half the Western world is in the one percent.

Edit - I should have been more clear above. I was thinking about countries, not people.