this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2023
248 points (77.1% liked)

World News

38948 readers
1709 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Huh, wonder why the IDF is there. Oh yeah, it's because Hamas stormed out of Gaza and specifically targeted civilians as nice soft targets.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not to defend Hamas or anything. But Israel does the same thing all the time. Proper escalation to kids throwing rocks at armed soldiers is not a lethal hail of semi-automatic military eeaponry fire. Happens all the time though.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And I will stand aside and let you criticize them all you want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Other than pretending the IDF actions against unarmed innocent civilians is justifiable, sure you would.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just said I think IDF violence against kids throwing rocks is unjustifiable. DID I STUTTER?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You did no such thing. You simply stated you'd allow another to criticize it without your objection. Immediately after stating the IDF were fully justified in their slaughter of children since a terrorist group hiding among said prisoner children had broken out of the prison and attacked People that were not guarding the prison.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And we all know that October saw the first civilians killed in this conflict.

Israel has killed more children than Hamas did people in that attack.

As in innocent children.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First Civilians killed was way back when the KGB convinced the idiot ideologues in Egypt to attack Israel allowing the Israelis an excuse to preemptively strike in 1967. Oh, and the Palestinians have been being genocided ever since.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I think you'll find that the Zionists have been running Palestinians out of their homes since the 1940s

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

That's not what I'm saying. I hold the Israeli government and Hamas to both be responsible in this conflict. I don't see judging who is more responsible as that productive of an exercise. More Palestinian civilians have died, but that's because Hamas actively put them in harm's way. What would you ask Israel to do, given that 1,400 of their citizens died on 10/7 and hundreds more remain hostages?

Israel's position previous to 10/7 was that they would just leave Gaza as an open air prison with Hamas in charge, though they would never like it framed that way. After 10/7, that changed. Hamas is clearly more of a threat than they envisioned and has to be exterminated.

Given that this is the general air inside of Israel, what should happen? I'm not sure they can really even back off at this point, given how far Hamas went. Unfortunately, smarter people than me don't have good answers. Part of the problem is a failure of leadership on both sides. Bibi apparently did his best back in the day to essentially legitimize Hamas while cutting the PLA out of the peace process, purposefully splitting the Palestinians. Meanwhile, Palestinian leadership is a mix of corrupt, weak, and uninspiring. Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve a new generation of better leaders, but I haven't heard of any.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Why is the IDF in the West bank, and actively trying to stir up conflict? And if a radical group/government took control of the West bank because of it, would you blame both sides?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

You are skipping over a sixty Year occupation to get to your "unprovoked" pretending.