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[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

people should be allowed to murder whatever is growing inside them.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is one of those interesting things. If we accept OP's premise for the sake of argument... then what does that really change? Society accepts that people can be lawfully killed on purpose given the "right" circumstances (e.g.: criminal punishment, war combat, equivocal self-defense). We generally don't like it, but we do fundamentally accept that human life is on the negotiating table when justified.

That's what irks me about the murder label. We already willfully choose to end human lives, irrevocably destroying a vast collection of lived experiences and social connections in the process. What is destroyed when an unborn child dies? A life which knows nobody, understands nothing, and thinks/feels at best at a level no more complex than animals which we routinely slaughter without a second thought. One might argue that the life itself contains some unknowable potential for these things, but that theoretical future potential comes at the price of the mother's current potential and freedoms.

The way I see it, the position is inherently precious. It fears the label of murder without caring to consider why the label exists. A philosophy so myopically focused on keeping one's own moral hands clean that the term "second order consequence" may as well be written in hieroglyphics.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

In that same line of thinking, anti-abortionists are likely staunch supporters of the military, the death penalty, and gun rights for murder as self defense.

So which is it: is life precious or isn't it? When is a life undeserving of protection? From birth? 5 years? 18 years?

The rights of the unborn shouldn't precede the rights of the life being lived by the mother.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Self defense is never murder.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
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