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WhatsApp’s AI shows gun-wielding children when prompted with ‘Palestine’ (feddit.de)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Cross-posted from : https://feddit.de/post/5357539

Original link: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/02/whatsapps-ai-palestine-kids-gun-gaza-bias-israel

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You shouldn’t get a stereotype (or in this case I suppose propaganda?) when you give a neutral prompt.

What I'm hearing is, "AI art shouldn't reflect reality." If this agent is repeating propaganda, it's propaganda that Palestinian kindergartens have been creating and putting out there on their own:

A West Bank kindergarten [Al-Tofula Kindergarten] has published videos showing children pretending to perform military drills with toy guns, clashing with and killing Israeli soldiers, and holding a mock funeral for a child who is killed and becomes a “martyr.” source

At the graduation ceremony of the Al-Hoda kindergarten in Gaza, pre-schoolers carrying mock guns and rifles simulated Islamic Jihad militants storming an Israeli building on "Al-Quds Street," capturing a child dressed in stereotypical garb as an Orthodox Jew and killing an "Israeli soldier." To the sounds of loud explosions and gunfire, the children, dressed in uniforms of the Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades, attacked the building, placing a sign reading "Israel has fallen" in Hebrew and Arabic on the back of the "soldier," who lies prone on the ground, and leaving the stage with their "hostage." source

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

WhatsApp’s AI shows gun-wielding children when prompted with ‘Palestine’

By contrast, prompts for ‘Israeli’ do not generate images of people wielding guns, even in response to a prompt for ‘Israel army’

So what reality is this model reflecting then?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you're going to make that claim, perhaps cite to a source isn't run by former Israeli intelligence that creates a lot of propaganda and has been doing so for decades.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't trust MEMRI translations, but there is no translation needed to understand what is happening in the above footage. I'm interested in any sources that dispute the authenticity of the above, which your link does not. If you provide a credible one I will edit my post accordingly. It seems to me that this is very real.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's fair. Without getting too in the weeds on the issue, apparently the video is authentic and it's something Israelis do as well, so isn't really telling about either side of the conflict except to note that extremists will use children to push their views anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the link. It would be interesting to know how prevalent indoctrination/militarization of youth is in each of these nations. It can be hard to accurately judge magnitude in this conflict, it is so heavily propagandized.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is absolutely no amount of data that could convince you otherwise. You’ve made it very clear you’ve made up your mind.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe try presenting some rather than complaining about what you imagine I'd do, random internet stranger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh is that why I followed up by saying the video is probably authentic?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Somehow I get the feeling that equating "reality" with "propaganda created by kindergartens" is the rhetorical equivalent of dividing by zero.