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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Sometimes I wonder what he expects to happen? Both of his sons were always scheduled to testify, everyone else who testified were listed as witnesses from the start, like did no explain to him what that list of people meant? I can't tell if this is just a trump thing, or an old person thing, or a billionaire thing where you can't understand simple ideas like, " these people know something about the case, they will testify under oath about it." Also, $15000 fine for breaking a gag order doesn't seem like the right punishment for a "billionaire". If it were me on trial that would put me in debt, but Trump is a billionaire, $15,000 is not going to affect his life that much. It seems like the consequences need to scale based on the individual if you actually want people to follow the gag order.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's all about controlling the narrative. He wants his base to get pissed off because "the libs are going after his kids to get back at him."

But go ahead and ask him what he thinks about all the Hunter Biden investigations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

He also wanted the entire trial shut down long before it got to this, so he's railing against an inevitability that he tried to avoid.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

but Trump is a billionaire,

well. he says he is. In this one case, lets take him at his word and charge 15 billion instead.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's playing to his donors and staying in the headlines. He's pulling in millions in donations every time he complains. It's making a mockery of the judicial system and campaign finance to fleece his electorate. The gag order should have been much more broad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unfortunately dude still has rights, regardless of how many times he breaks the law, or makes a mockery of it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While not with this case, because this case is civil, He's on felony pretrial release on 4? other cases. If virtually ANY other defendent had said any number of the things he said, that pretrial release would be revoked and he would be in jail pending trial. His rights are extremely limited in the situation he is in and it's well within the courts jurisdiction to limit the things he does all the way up to jailing him. That includes limiting his speech, house arrest, etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Eh, while not normal, the things he's said are rather typical of upset defendants, and most of those don't find themselves behind bars for it either. You could search social media for people on trial for a lot of crimes and find them saying substantially similar claims about the system, prosecutors, or judges targeting them or having it in for them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His repeatedly engaging in various forms of fraud and intimidation provides a perfectly valid legal basis for those rights to be curtailed significantly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

~~Un~~Fortunately, dude still has rights, regardless of how many times he breaks the law, or makes a mockery of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As much as I detest trump, I agree. Important for everyone to have their rights

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Agree completely. Good comment

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm hoping that the $5,000 and $10,000 fines are the judge's way of making any future punishments appeal proof. M

If the judge went right to "jail Trump" on the first infraction, Trump could appeal and get the jail time reversed. What's more, Trump's lawyers might be able to allege that the judge was biased and get the whole thing tossed.

But if the judge starts slow and ramps up, it will be evident to any appeals court that the judge tried everything he could to avoid serious repercussions and Trump simply gave him no choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah but it still totally sucks that Trump always gets the extra-super-fair-and-reasonable-wet-lettuce end of the stick.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Add an exponent after each one. Should have been 5000 the first time then multiply by an ever increasing number each time. 10000, 30000, 120000, 600000, 3.6m ,25.2m

He would have to stop by 3.6 million since that is probably more liquid cash then he has available.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Cheeto chimp is definitely not a billionaire. He's a lying, flim flam man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Both of his sons were always scheduled to testify

That's boring though. With Trump he always has to turn it in to a spectacle, then the reporting amps it up even further ("melts down," just like a nuclear reactor!) That's how Trump's political brand was created in the first place.