this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
117 points (97.6% liked)

Ask Lemmy

27007 readers
1660 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try [email protected]


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [email protected] or [email protected]. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lazy plot setups. Main example: if someone coughs for no reason in the first 10 minutes, they DEFINITELY have a terminal illness that will be revealed shortly.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Similarly, there is only one reason for a woman to vomit in a movie.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Especially frustrating because vomiting isn't even guaranteed with pregnancy! 20-30% of women make it through with no morning sickness, and then out of the 70-80% who do feel totally nauseous, not everyone actually vomits!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A necessary evil, though I agree very spoiler-y. People don't respond well to left-field plot-relevant details. So when you have a story to tell and a limited run-time to tell it, you don't get time to linger on atmospheric-but-not-plot-relevant details, and you have to include a satisfying level of foreshadowing. The result is that those foreshadowing details don't get time to "breathe".

This seems to go either one of two ways, depending largely on story pacing and overall quality: either it's derided as predictable, or lauded as "tight". It's a tricky, and largely subjective, line to walk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Im honestly not super bothered by it. Why have an actor cough if it doesn't mean something?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think it comes down to different approaches to writing. One is to only keep what's absolutely necessary to the plot. Done well, this can result in a tight narrative, but done poorly it can be way too predictable.

Another is to add little details that, while not necessary to the plot, may make the world/characters feel more real. Done well you can get some believably human characters, but done poorly it just feels bloated.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think it can be done well, but it's often done poorly. Like a closeup of a character coughing is pretty obviously going to mean something later, it's so predictable as to be boring. IMO, a good Chekhov's Gun is something that surprises you at first but makes sense when you remember it later, or at least something where you have to keep guessing when it's going to come up. The viewer should feel clever for picking up on it. Knives Out is a great example of this being done well many times over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they're always needs to be a checkovs gun for things