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[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The stance appears to be - "We're not trying to change the minds of the people whose lives we disrupt because they are all mindless morons who have never cared about the environment and deserve to made miserable. And of course we aren't really disrupting them anyway - any real disruption is caused by people out to discredit us. Everyone I meet is angry at me for some reason."

I just don't think it is very effective as a way of driving the change you want to see, as it tends to promote the belief 'ah environmentalists - they're arseholes'

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I just don't think it is very effective as a way of driving the change you want to see, as it tends to promote the belief 'ah environmentalists - they're arseholes'

The problem is those kinds of people think that no matter what we do. If we go protest oil depots its "they're just making it harder for workers trying to dontheir jobs" if we go to the HQ of Shell its the same or "its going to be the janitor that cleans up" or if we go to the houses of oil execs or politicians like Rishi Sunak it's "what if his kids were home, these people are dangerous" or for literally any scenario you have things like "but I bey they use electricity .hypocrites" or "bet zero means we'd have to stop breathing!! That's what they actually want" or a thousand other dumbass takes.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The problem is those kinds of people think that no matter what we do.

Keep telling yourself that. You set yourself to only preach to the fully converted.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I don't need to tell myself anything. Barry (62) who thinks climate change isn't real, has voted Tory consistently since he was 18 and would practically cum in his trousers at an excuse to be violent to any group of people the mail tells him are bad, tells me plenty.

Barry was never, ever going to do anything constructive no matter how we protest, so why waste effort trying to appease him?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And you’ve convinced yourself that everyone who disagrees with your approach is Barry apparently.

They aren’t.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Not literally that exact type of person. Like some people do believe in climate change and tell themselves they support the environmentalist cause, but have never gone to a protest, or written to their MP or voted around the issue and never will no matter how many protests that happen, or how many studies are published or videos putting it into layman's terms. They just want to mostly ignore the issue, drive to work, drive home, put on love island and switch their brain off. Because actually doing anything about it is effort and their top priority is their own convenience.

The people who actually give enough of a fuck to do something/anything about this catastrophic issue isn't going to throw a temper tantrum because their video games convention got interrupted for 30 seconds. Because if you ACTUALLY give a shit, the very idea of comparing complete ecological and societal collapse to 30 seconds of the most mild inconvenience imaginable is completely and utterly fucking ridiculous.

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