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Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml
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this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?
Most of their communities were blocked since months, that's why you didn't see much of them.
I'm just surprised overall because most other major instances defederated from them weeks or months ago, along with Hexbear and/or Exploding Heads. .ca has been defederated with those probably for at least two months now.
The administration of this Instance has a moderate lean towards not defederating in general, they have to be pushed in general. I would describe LW as a free speech leaning Instance, within the Lemmy environment.
Naturally the topic is very divisive overall and tends to draw heated arguments no matter what position is taken. Free speech absolutists find it downright draconian. I imagine being on Beehaw for longer than five minutes might reduce them to ash, I'm not sure.
LW has some communities which are quite non-freespeech, with rules like "we can remove and ban anything against the rules or not" (see !world), and some which use their rules arbitrarily as excuses for removing content that doesn't match their ideology (see !politicalmemes).
lol not even close, lw is one of the most defederation trigger-happy instances out there, with only dbzer0, lemmy.blahaj.zone, and a few others having more. You just don't see lw announcing them. Even lemmy.ml has less defederations than lw.
All you need to do to get banned from lw is to piss of an admin enough over the mildest shit to be a ban-on-sight.
You know, based on your username I think you might be just a little bit biased
We even know exactly who they are :) Well, were. This account got banned too!
We can take the bias out at the source, theres a few websites who list each public instance and how many other instances they are blocking and blocked by.
Well the dbzer0 example already tells that just the amount of defeds says nothing. Db0 has gone quite far to proactively blocking CP and nazi instances across the fediverse not just lemmy.
Considering we're even federated with hexbear still, can't call the block finger too trigger happy
So, how does it work if I'm on lemm.ee? Is this defederation global?
No its only for the instance. Lemmy.ee is still federated with lemmygrad.
Oh, bummer
Lemm.ee is still federated with Hexbear, so they definitely arent defeding .ml. The lemm.ee admin only cares if you deny the genocide that effected his family. To him all other genocide denial is apparently perfectly fine!
Is the admin Armenian!?
The phrasing of "an increase in hate speech and calls to violence" suggests that there is a tolerable level of those.
A tolerable level we can handle by moderation. And when even the admins join in it becomes clear there is a big incompatibility and cultural difference.
But you probably meant something else, right?
No, that makes sense.
;)
You folk do good work.
Not it doesn't, it suggests there's a finite amount of volunteer moderator time. Don't be a troll.
I'm pro voilence against people who block grocery store entrances because they figured that was the best place to chat with someone they ran into... so yes.
People going slow in the fast lane on the freeway
The left lane is for crime ....
It's my way or the crime way.
Can't forget those whom text at the theater
My mother-in-law did a phone call and I chewed her out. I couldn't believe it but then she complained about "kids these days" being on their phone at a restaurant and I pointed out that she was holding her phone and that we were at a restaurant. She shut up.
*who
Use who when you would use he, use whom when you would use him. Who texts at the theater? He does.
What would I use for she or her?
Still who and whom, respectively. And for they and them.
Escalefters 🤬
Yeah, there is: using your critical thinking skills, what number comes before 1?
long pause
That's right! Zero! Good job! And what do we call it when 0 becomes 1?
long pause
And increase, yes! applause
Tune in next week with Dora the Internet Explorer! Bye for now!
This would be a lot more of a stinging response if they could read.
I took it to mean "it has increased to the point we can't deal with it all"
Well there are going to be assholes everywhere but I guess if that instance's admins/mods aren't doing their jobs of moderating their users then it makes sense to defederate so the burden doesn't fall on all other instance's mods.
The world isn't black and white like your comment is suggesting.
I'm pretty sure the problem with Lemmygrad wasn't that the admins there "[weren't] doing their jobs", but rather that they were doing their jobs and their jobs were to promote and encourage the hateful rhetoric instead of stopping it.
I'm wondering if you're trolling or just ignorant. I'll do you the respect of assuming ignorance.
There will always be hate speech in any forum. Period. This cannot be stopped short of closing the forum down entirely. If, however, the hate speech is low volume, it can be dealt with individually with post deletion, user bans, community deletions, etc. Standard "tactical" moderation techniques.
But...
Shitholes like lemmygrad.ml release a veritable flood of hate speech, as do their right-wing "Freeze Peach!" equivalents. Individual, tactical moderation does not scale to that level without a whole lot more money than a hobbyist-run instance can bring to bear. Thus if hate speech and calls for violence reach the point where tactical moderation can no longer keep up, you start with the strategic moderation. In older-style forums that might be an IP ban. In the Fediverse it's defederation.
See how that works?
Now please, prove to me you're not trolling and simply didn't understand how things work.
Yes, there is.
Example:
"I hate fascists and they deserve to get punched in the face."