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Anti-Israel Protestors Shout ‘Gas the Jews’ Outside Sydney Opera House
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A big problem in conflating the bad government and the ethnic population and the religion is the fact the country is setup as a religious ethnocentric state. The titles, messaging, and words all conflate.
People are terrible with nuance at the best of times, when they are emotional that nuanced capacity goes out the window. So you can't be pro Palestine, anti Hamas and have any discussion.
This inability to maintain nuance applies to the other side too. You're either pro Israel, or anti-Semitic, at least in the public discourse. You can't be pro-Palestinian, anti Israeli (government), pro Jewish, that viewpoint has too much nuance for discourse in social media.
I think the discourse here is showing that nuance is definitely possible in social media, but that those social media that favour nuance are the absolute minority and located predominately away from mainstream social media.
I’m pro-Palestinians, pro-Israelis, anti-Hamas, anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah and anti-Israeli Government simultaneously, and that view seems to be pretty well accepted here.
What's the difference between anti-Zionist, and anti Israeli government?
We're having a good discussion in this thread. But another threads I've participated in recently, the discussion goes quickly off the rails.
Not all Israeli parties are Zionist - it’s predominately the coalition of right-wing parties. To paint all Israeli politicians as being Zionist is a bit disingenuous, although I do admit that the vast majority of Israeli political discourse is dominated by Zionist overtones.
There are also cultural and religious minorities in Israel - predominately Christians and Muslims - and the Knesset has had a fairly stable cohort of Arab or Druze members since it was established.
If we’re talking about the current ruling parties? Absolutely, they’re Zionist through-and-through. But they’re not reflective of the whole Knesset.
There are also Zionists outside of Israel - Evangelical Americans as a group come to mind here. There are many people of many religions around the world that believe that Israel has the right to Palestine for one arcane reason or another.
To suffice: not all Israeli government are Zionists; not all Zionists are Israeli.
That was a very succinct explanation. Thank you
Completely agree. And this conflation of Jewish people and the Israeli government actions, mostly pushed by Zionists, is something that progressive, pro-palestine Jewish people have been complaining about forever.