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[–] [email protected] 146 points 1 year ago (24 children)

How do you declare war on a state you don’t recognize?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure if you're trying to be clever? You can start a war against anyone or anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

...take the War on Christmas, for example

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can attack anyone or anything but formal declarations of war are usually state actions.

I guess I’m partly being clever and pointing out that Israel is waving this word “war” around very generously right now, because they’re always dramatizing the direness of their situation, mainly for the American audience. But technically they shouldn’t be using this word unless they recognize the state of Palestine, which they have historically refused to do.

So, as usual, they’re trying to have it both ways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I understand. Does war declaration being a state action require recognition the state of Palestine? Or can they declare war on "Hamas" or any other entity/group of people. Or do they even have to state who they are at war against? Can they just say "we are at war"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I can't read the article (I just get an HTTP 403 "Forbidden", interesting) but Israel had previously talked about declaring war on Hamas itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This isnt a gotcha. Israel does not recognize the legitimacy of the Palestinian state, but they don't like, pretend it doesn't nominally exist. If Hamas considers themselves a legitimate government, they can be declared war against. They're not legitimate, but they still exist.

As an easy example in the US, everyone in the country doubted the legitimacy of the "Autonomous Zone" in Portland, and yet it very definitely was a thing.

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