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I don't think "command line hard" is the worst part of self-hosting. (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I've seen a lot of people saying things that amount to "those tech nerds need to understand that nobody wants to use the command line!", but I don't actually think that's the hardest part of self-hosting today. I mean, even with a really slick GUI like ASUSTOR NASes provide, getting a reliable, non-NATed connection, with an SSL certificate, some kind of basic DDOS protection, backups, and working outgoing email (ugh), is a huge pain in the ass.

Am I wrong? Would a Sandstorm-like GUI for deploying Docker images solve all of our problems? What can we do to reshape the network such that people can more easily run their own stuff?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Getting a decent VPS is pretty cheap. Email is the enormous problem. Even if your VPS provider allows outgoing email, your IP address will be flagged and blocked by all mailservers everywhere for the crime of not being Google or Microsoft, or not having a full-time person working 24/7 to satisfy the people in charge of blacklists. You can pay someone else to send your email, but that's going to cost you as much or more as the VPS you're using to host your entire app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's actually rare these days that mail from my personal server (on a Linode/Akamai IP) is rejected, and I don't even have DMARC set up, only SPF and DKIM. I just use my old gmail address as a backup for those rare situations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

How many outgoing emails are we talking about? Because there are a lot of free or cheap options for personal use and small businesses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something like Zoho is only $12 a year per hosted email address.