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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Maybe, just Maybe if one of these fucking right wing nuts take out a politician then watch real quick we will get new gun laws. Long as they shooting up schools, and churches and hurting us common folk nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gabby Giffords? Congressional baseball shooting?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Steve Scalice's shooting?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the reminder. I thought it was a congressional baseball game. How these people literally get shot and still don't see the need for reform, I don't understand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Hey, I'll have you know a few feet of your lower intestine, part of your colon, and almost dying is a small price to pay when you can insider trade and rake in that sweet sweet NRA money

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Easiest way to kickstart it is arming at-risk minorities.

California's strict gun laws have their roots in white conservatives' reaction to the Black Panthers marching with rifles while St. Reagan was governor of the state.

The upside of this strategy is that if the gun laws don't change, then at least those minorities will have some means of protecting themselves.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

+1, if anyone wants to know why California has such restrictive gun laws those started in response to the Black Panthers policing our cops.

Edit: https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/04/the-black-panthers-nra-ronald-reagan-armed-extremists-and-the-second-amendment/

So, yeah, have black people show up with ARs in some state capitols and you'll kickstart gun control right quick. Arming liberal women, gays and trans people in red states and having them show up at the capitol might work too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The down side is that it gives white supremacists the same excuse to execute minorities in the street as the police use.

If guns actually helped oppressed and abused minorities, America would be the safest place in the world for them. Instead, they're routinely hunted by domestic terrorists, almost all of whom are legal gun owners.

The reality is that the gun lobby figured out that you can sell hero fantasies to leftists too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The reality is that they already have all the excuse they need.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the side that's perfectly happy with pursuing genocide having the perception that they have a monopoly of violence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you seen the Ahmaud Arbery video? Did you know that the DA of that county is under indictment for trying to bury that case when all 3 defendants were eventually convicted? These monsters don't wait for an excuse, the existence of anyone who isn't a cishet white Christian Republican is their excuse to be violent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Arbery had a gun they'd have 100% been acquitted. Cops regularly point to weapons in the rough vicinity of black men to justify their shootings.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's the thing, if Arbery had a gun, it's very likely several of them wouldn't have survived the encounter. Which, as far as racists go, is a very preferable turnout to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, and that's a systemic issue that needs solving or it will only get worse as people join specifically to kill and oppress minorities.

But guns are still no solution and anyone promoting them as one is clearly just parroting gun lobby talking points without actually thinking them through.

If Ahmaud Arbery had a gun within 20ft of him, everybody involved would be walking free.

But beyond that, when exactly was he supposed to open fire on police and how do these gun advocates expect that to play out? The moment a minority uses a gun to defend themselves from police, they're as good as dead. The best case scenario is decades in prison.

And if all minorities started doing it? Police executions would skyrocket -- including for unarmed people -- and we'd never see them convicted again.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If they kill a Democrat, the right will just cheer. If they kill a Republican, the right will proclaim loud and long how this proves they're the victims of violent Democrats and it'll get brought up for years to "both sides" political violence, the way that the Congressional baseball game shooting is today. Plus the more deranged part of the base wall immediately create new conspiracy theories about how it wasn't really a Republican/right-winger that did the shooting, it was a left-wing antifa/FBI plant controlled by George Soros, Bill Gates and Tom Hanks using the space lasers to control their 5G+vaccine zombie trial and now that the trial run has succeeded you all need to be aware because the civil defense sirens will sound at 10pm next Tuesday and that's the signal for the National Guard to come through and scour the neighborhood and arrest everyone and intern then into FEMA camps.

Edit: fix autocorrect words

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If they kill a Republican, the right will official loud and long hours this proves they’re the victims

....and then pass rules that Republicans politicians at all levels be exempt from any gun restrictions, even on someone else's private property. They would proudly wear hip holsters onto the House floor during debate and claim that is the only way they can be safe. The first shooting victim on the House floor will be a person of color from a Republican gun.

If it happens to be a radical from the left that does the initial killing, then there's even a possibility Republicans would support gun restrictions on Democrats.

Remember, the conservative answer to too much gun violence is always adding additional guns.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I am going to have to deduct points there. You forgot to add in Hunter Biden and laptop into your well developed right wing conspiracy theory.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

No definitely not. They didn't do anything after Gabby Giffords was shot back in 2011, they're not going to now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Only if it's a Republican politician that is not considered a "RINO".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I mean shit, James Hodgkinson got pretty close.