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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Saw this today and now I'm reconsidering if Boost is right for me. I'm really hoping this is shitty boiler plate that was accidentally copied and over looked because that is some bullshit to say "unless we decide we want to use your personal data for whatever we want".

I know "legitimate interest" is a phrase from the cookies law but there is no legitimate interest justification for this. My data is my data and I decide who has a legitimate interest in it so advertisers can fuck off, as can Boost if this the direction it's going.


Edit to say this blew up. I didn't realise I was kicking as big a hornet's nest and haven't read all the comments yet.

To be clear, what I don't like about this and other provisions in the terms is the language and implications around data use. I've no problem with ads being shown - I want developers to get paid for the work they do and that makes it possible for users to have "free" access to software if they can't afford to purchase.

I also want to add the response from Boost's dev below to make sure it's visible. You'll see that it is boilerplate but required by Google and was present in Boost for reddit. I just hadn't seen it because I purchased it immediately based on a recommendation. It doesn't make me happy about it but does remove some doubts I was having about the direction Boost is heading.

I will be purchasing the app to support the dev because I do like Boost but I understand not everyone can afford everything so you'll see some other suggestions in the comments below that don't have any ads if you're not happy with the free version and ads with their associated loss of data privacy.


Dev here.

The dialog and its content is not created by me, it is a standard solution from Google to comply with GDPR and other laws. More info here: https://support.google.com/admob/answer/10114014?hl=en

The consent dialog is also required by Google AdMob to show ads, and it is shown when the ad network is initialized.

When the app launches, first it checks for the remove ads purchase, and if it is not present, it will initialize the ads sdk. The ad network is not initialized if the remove ads purchase is detected.

Boost for Reddit was using the very same ad networks and consent dialog.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Knee jerk responses like this are why Lemmy seems doomed to stagnate and die. And this is coming from someone who used to be all in. Utterly tired of the mob of goofs that think everything should be developed for free and anyone that tries to make a legitimate living in this space is an evil bastard.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same crap with people brigading Sync too. Like, I don't get the mindset. I work for my money, I get to decide how to spend it. I'm happy to use some of that money to give to someone who is earning it by creating a product that I love using every single day. That's not wrong, that is how things work. Everything can't just be free, nothing would get made like that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

isn't that the basis of open source tho?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I don't honestly know. I use both paid and FOSS. They both have their place. What I do know as someone who exists in society is that everything has a cost to it, one way or another. For FOSS, that cost (in the form of time) is borne in theory by the entire community. In practice it's usually borne by a few, and the majority benefit.

There is merit to code being totally open. It can foster security, creativity, and more. But I also feel strongly that there is merit to a dedicated, cohesive development team that is compensated for their work directly in a product in the form of a software being paid. I also understand when someone thinks they have something truly special and wants to prevent it from being diluted and so do not open source the code.

Again, I think both approaches have merit. What doesn't (IMO) have merit in thinking that everything should just be free and no one pays for it. Someone is always paying for it in the end.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's a bit much sometimes. I'm all about open source and I utilize linux for my home computer, but developers need to make money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The question isn't over whether or not developers should make money, but how they make that money.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some people on here will never realize that only paid devs putting in full days will make a platform like Lemmy grow to even a fourth of what Reddit is right now. Part time, unpaid devs will never grow this platform to that size and one way or another, those devs will want to be able to support themselves and that is either through donations or somekind of monetization, which may or may not include monetizing user data. It's just honest facts that it costs money to run servers and that money has to come from somewhere. It takes time to develop an app and in the case of Sync (probably Boost as well) it's just one dev and that takes a lot of his time. Nobody would do that amount of work for free.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I agree as per the general idea (Lemmy needs donations and financial support) but that's only for the server infrastructure which has non neglibible (and quite high indeed) storage and computational costs due to running a federated instance. A sheer client which does nothing except showing data from a backend and runs on the user's battery and device (with no cost of ownership on the developer), on the other hand, does not require money and should be free. Free as in freedom and free as in beer.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Utterly tired of the mob of goofs that think everything should be developed for free

Nice strawman. You are not being intellectually honest. No one is arguing that (italicized part).

But how the money is made, how much of your privacy do you have to give up (remember when you used to be able to buy products and not have to give up any of your privacy?) for corporations to have profits, is what's being discussed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't compare a Lemmy app to a product. It's a service. Boost provides an alternate way to access Lemmy as a service that they've put into an app. You can pay them for an ad free service, but if they take down Boost, you're not entitled to a working app because it's not a product, it's a discontinued service.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro, anything positive about Mac, Windows, Android that isn't GrapheneOS, cars, or even fucking eBikes (yes, there was a thread where Lemmy was downvoting and hating on everyone who uses an eBike because they have batteries..), is extremely downvoted.

Everyone expects everything to be 100% FOSS. They refuse to pay, and refuse to be the product. Lemmy is full of entitled ass people.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

It's not a Lemmy problem, though. It's an internet problem. People just like going off half-cocked and feeling superior to others, especially people who actually do things.

The same thing happened with Sync, then people got bored and moved onto the next thing.