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Brand claims that the UK Government and "the media" are out to get him!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's gone right wing? I didn't know that. I've not listened to anything he said in... well... ever. I was vaguely aware of him shouting lefty stuff a few years back but never paid much attention

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He jumped the horseshoe. The fringes of right-wing extremism and left-wing extremism often end up having rather a lot in common - it's easy for people who define themselves against the mainstream first (and only for something second) to find themselves agreeing a lot with people who are notionally at the other end of the spectrum.

In Russell Brand's case, that meant embracing anti-vaxism, Covid denial, climate change denial, 5G conspiracies, etc. George Galloway did it by embracing Farage and trying to get selected as a candidate for the Brexit Party. Claire Fox went from a pro-IRA Revolutionary Communist Party activist and co-publisher of the Living Marxism magazine to a Brexit Party MEP. In the US, you see a lot of notionally right-wing US Republicans now starting to spout anti-capitalist narratives. At the fringes of politics, this sort of horseshoe-jumping happens all the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm open to your alternative explanation of the observed pattern of horseshoe-jumping: e.g. Russell Brand, George Galloway, Claire Fox, Piers Corbyn, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Wolf, Melenchon voters backing Le Pen in the 2022 2nd round, etc - regardless of what theory explains the observed facts, there are a disturbing number of examples of it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You listed six people out of eight billion plus.

It’s a rounding error that doesn’t need a theory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I listed six politically high-profile individuals out of the set of politically high-profile individuals, which is a much smaller set than every person on the planet. If I knew the political views of every human on the planet then of course I would prefer to give you a more comprehensive picture.

I also listed the 16% of Jean-Luc Melenchon's 7.7 million 1st round voters who indicated they were backing Marine Le Pen in the 2nd round of the French presidential election last year - literally leaping direct from the far-left candidate to the far-right candidate in preference over the moderate candidate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I shared a source that you can get into if you’d like to.