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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Haven't they heard of the american method? Don't they know the cure for X is more X?

We just need to add some more global warming and that will solve global warming!

Or is that just applicable to guns and debt?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Nah - it'll just pivot to "Well it's too late now - no reason to hold back".

I genuinely wonder why eco-terrorism isn't already a meaningful "problem" - I don't mean "some protestors blocked a road for a couple of hours or flinged some paint and soup around" - I mean "You're working to kill all known life in the universe, and we're doing whatever it takes to stop you."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's no one funding it. If some of the billionaires can direct their money to make renewables adopted in the mainstream we can be in a much better place now. But, you know to have that amount of money the switch that also governs your care for the environment gets switched off too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is far worse than what any single billionaire can fix. Billions of dollars are being poured into renewable energy infrastructure. It's just that while this is happening, we're also emitting the same amount of CO2 as always. The only long-term resolution of this is de-growth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Explosives and rifles aren't expensive. There's a reason the best funded military in the world consistently gets slowed up by insurgents.

While big funding would certainly help, this is more an issue of motivation (which expensive media campaigns would certainly help).

I'm not advocating for any of this, but as long as innocents weren't caught up in it, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it either.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You joke, but I've seen those kinds of arguments, especially online.

Some time back, someone argued that global warming was a self-solving problem because the oceans reflect light and heat energy back out into space, so as the earth warms and the oceans rise, the ability to reflect that heat will increase and we could even go back into an ice age because of it.

That is, of course, not really how it's going to go. Massive ecological collapse and possible human extinction would occur due to the initial warming, first off, even before you get to the arguments about... Everything else at the crux of that.

For a long time, one of the talking points of climate change denial wasn't that it wasn't happening but that it was normal for us to go through heating and cooling cycles, so just deal with it and wait it out, we survived the last ice age so we can survive this heat wave, right? But again, that's mostly bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, the global warming is a self-solving problem. The nature will just make itself uninhabitable for humans.

Congratulations to the small, niche organisms, waiting to fill the gap left by the mammals!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bad news to a lot of those organisms though, the Extinction Level Event doesn't stop at humans. I'm not sure what's resilient enough to survive. Cockroaches maybe? Rats?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You ain't going to do a thing against bacteria. You could scour the entire surface and they'll just be like 'Welp, time to hang out underground for a couple of thousand years'

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think snow and ice would be better at reflecting but we seem to get rid of those ice caps.. But when the ice melts, it cools down the ocean so of course, problem solved!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

There is indeed an upper limit for global warming, because hot bodies lose more energy by radiating heat than colder ones. I think the equilibrium of energy gained by the sun and lost by heat radiation from the earth is at something like +5K in average global temperature. I doubt humanity would survive this though, civilization definitely won't.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The homeopathic approach to climate change. Great.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hm? The homeopathic approach to climate change would be to dissolve a tree in 100,000m³ of alcohol, pour that into the ocean and wait for results.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Homeopathic processes aim at curing by introducing a very low concentration of the disease, so effectively curing x by adding x. I think your example would make sense if it was oil or CO2 instead of a tree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Burning a tree also sets free a lot of CO2. :) Heating with wood is not sustainable at all, unlike some lobbyist made us beliveve.

But yeah, oil would have been the more obvious example.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I am so glad that garbage uses homeopathic rather than holistic these days. You want a doctor that takes a holistic approach, they're looking at your whole body not just their specialty. Homeopathic =/= holistic.