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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (17 children)

If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Find me one neoliberal who isn't promoting violence.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Here's a comment thread where a Hexbear user said "I hope to kill people like you" because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

Going on any Hexbear instance people froth over telling anyone right of Karl Marx to "get up against the wall". You guys are, and will always be, a joke.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

If course you would, like a good little authoritarian.

In my ideal society I’d give people like you the freedom you deserve.

This you?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism. Dem Socs are well-meaning but idealistic, not optimistic but the political philosophy of idealism. Soc Dems are supporters of a kinder capitalism for the Imperial core but keeping the child slaves mining cobalt in the Congo.

The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory. They were harsh but you were implying that keeping exploitation of the third world is preferable to socialism.

Dude you still don’t stop worker exploitation, don’t solve the contradiction of working and capitalist classes, don’t end imperialism or colonialism (social democracy outsources exploitation to the third world)

Ok let me know how your method works out

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism.

What a terrible mistake to make! Perhaps you should have assumed it was the correct orientation of the two words that are spelled exactly the same.

The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory.

I have, but thanks for the suggestion.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The abolishinists were mean to me. : 😭😭

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Assuming people are using words in the way they are widely and commonly accepted to mean (I mean, just look at Wikipedia for an easy starting point) is not a bad thing?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

two words that are spelled exactly the same

Social and Socialism are not spelled the same, neither are Democracy and Democratic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

What incredible insight. The word 'social' is referring to 'socialism' and so is the relation between 'democracy' and 'democratic'.

It would take an idiot to mix these up, right?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a terrible mistake to make! Perhaps you should have assumed it was the correct orientation of the two words that are spelled exactly the same.

Your beef is with the English Language not me. How is it my fault that you misidentified yourself? Funnily enough, you still don't identify your actual political position. It's clear that the only political position you'd take is what gives you an advantage in the argument. Fucking debatebros lol.

I have, but thanks for the suggestion.

Reading so much theory that you confuse two different political ideologies. Sometimes I read so much theory that that I claim to be a monarchist when I really mean to say I'm an anti-monarchist. Obviously the other person should have understood what I meant. Your literally on a communication medium that allows you to plan and edit your comments. You have no excuse for making this grade school mistake.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Debatebro? That's what Hexbear does best.

I would actually love to engage in good faith discussions, but Hexbear users only operate in bad faith, particularly by sealioning. Like clockwork, you don't engage in ideas but rather give reading assignments.

I've read Das Kapital and agree with virtually all the premises about how society is unfair to those who actually generate the surplus value and think that we need to fix a system that breaks cyclically, as Karl Marx correctly predicted in volume I. The only solutions I've seen presented are a total revolution a la 1917, which occured before globalization. Anything close to this in the current globalized world will kill at minimum hundreds of millions globally due to interdependence on products that Marx would consider "needs", such as medications and medical equipment like dialysis machines.

The difference between you and me is that I'd rather work to reestablish democracy away from capital interests. I don't want a dictatorship, I want a functional democracy. Propaganda is often used to disillusion the working class from democracy, and if you don't vote in elections then you are clearly part of the problem.

Edit: Lmao. Citing"theory" gets crickets from the people who endlessly say "you just haven't read theory". It's like they don't know what to do with someone who reads to understand, rather than "reading" just to virtue signal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Debatebro? That's what Hexbear does best.

Hahaha, literally "I know you are but what am I"

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Haha, classic Catradora_Stalinism, what a rascal.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

so you promoted violence first?
i'm failing to see your complaint here

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I simply said I supported democratic socialism

So you said that you support the regime of extreme global inequality against the third world in order to maintain treats in the first.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.

Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK what country you're from, but in America at least, a democratic socialist has about as much likelihood of being elected to any given office as a communist does, so if you're looking for "realistic" policies you should look elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.

Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don't want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. Entryism always ends up changing the entrant instead of the system. We are revolutionary socialists.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Who are you talking about? AOC? If your definition of a democratic socialist is a left-leaning Democrat then it is thoroughly incompatible with mine, because I would require at a minimum that anybody classified as any kind of "socialist" be staunchly opposed to Capital.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I too support democratic socialism

chavez-salute

maduro-salute

evo

allende-rhetoric

Allende just needed more people's militias

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Tolerance should not extend to intolerance, and intolerance should never be a thing we tolerate.

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