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Evidence that dozens of women were groomed into online sex work by members of influencer Andrew Tate's "War Room" group has been uncovered by the BBC.

Leaked internal chat logs identify 45 potential victims between March 2019 and April 2020 but the total number is likely to be higher.

The texts also appear to show the techniques used by War Room members to exploit possible victims.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know this is not gonna be some revelation, but: I have literally never encountered someone who makes their whole identity about being an Alpha for the sake of getting women, being superior to other men, etc, who doesn't have some deep insecurity at the heart of it (and not very well hidden).

Mostly the dudes who are what Andrew Tate wants to be have interests like fishing or carpentry or business or some particular sports team. They don't spend all their time in the "war room" scheming with other dudes how they can work together to trick women into having sex with them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

scheming with other dudes how they can work together to trick women into ~~having sex with~~ earning money for them.

FTFY

Call him what he is: a pimp. He made his money pimping women online. They're not full blown prostitutes, AFAIK, but he's still just a pimp. The dangerous part is he's successfully parlayed this into a "hustle mindset" to get rich, when pimping and conning people into paying him for his "wisdom" is how he got rich. So he's also a conman.

That's the dangerous thing about him. My step-kids think he's worth listening to because, "it's just different for men, you know?" No I don't know, and I've been a man a lot longer than this asshole or them. Any time I ask them to explain it to me, they can't. "It's just different." It's not that I think my step kids are going to start grooming women for sex work, but it's entirely possible that they're subconsciously seeing women as "less than" and painting it as "men's responsibility to protect and provide." And that's pretty toxic IMO.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

That last part sounds pretty tough to deal with as a parent. It's hard to deprogram people from brainwashing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Not to mention that the entire "Alpha Male" philosophy was disproven by the very same guy who hypothesized it. My dude went back to check out the same family of wolves years later to see how things had gone and guess what? The "Betas" he'd witnessed weren't the inferior members of the pack at all. They were the kiddos. The "Alphas" he'd witnessed being recognized as superior by the "Betas" were actually just the parents raising their kids. He tried to tell the world how he'd fucked up but by then the damage was done and nobody was listening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, that's the whole point. Grifters, cult leaders, and other social predators are intentionally targeting the most vulnerable demographics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Per the article, the leader of the "War Room" is a 60+ year old man who has been involved with "at least two cults."

Everyone who falls for Tate's schtick is always some lost little boy with no sense of purpose, often occupying a grown man's body.