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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Americans are now paying an average of $12,182 to own and operate a brand-new vehicle

Misleading title.

So new cars have gotten more expensive overall, people are buying more expensive new cars, and the cost of credit for new cars has gone up. In other words, don't buy a brand new car.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't used car prices go up even relatively more though? Just my anecdotal experience after peeping around for a different car the past year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They’ve started to drop pretty dramatically. My 7 year old car has lost 20% of its value in the last ~9 months.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely not good news for my 2014. Can't say I've checked places recently enough then.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even not-new cars are far more expensive than most people like to thing.

Yes, fuel and insurance.

Also maintenance.

And also depreciation of the asset.

New cars are obviously much higher, but the average car is also much closer to $10k than most people are willing to admit.

That is also ignoring:

  • Cost of adding a garage to a home (~10% of the home cost).
  • Taxes paid on property for roads (70%+ of road construction and maintenance).
  • Deferred maintenance for car infrastructure not captured above (easily in the dozens or hundreds of billions, equivalent to thousands of dollars per adult).
  • Increased cost of living due to parking minimums (and "free" parking in general - - $5000 a space * 3-8 per car).

TL;DR: Car ownership has a lot of hidden costs that people hate to admit to having to bear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thought I wandered into the fuckcars community for a moment. But yeah cars have a lot of externalized costs. I'm lucky to live someplace with mass transit and walkable spaces. Everywhere less is unbearable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Right. The cost of owning a car is not the cost of buying a car.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I bought mine with cash in 2019. Pay about 900 in gas a year, 900 a year for insurance, 250 for oil and fluids replacement.

I would sell my vehicle in a heartbeat if it cost more 4k a year.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

It's it just factoring in the cost of the vehicle basically?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

In other words... live within your means.

FTFY