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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Self determination is a human right" There's nothing I agree more on. Unfortunately some muslim communities do not agree, and the men and the women aren't on the same level. Many women are forced to port the abaya and other vests that cover their figure in entirety, and I don't think they should be forced to if they don't want to. 85% of the muslim women in France that I know do not want to port it, but they're obligated by their family. Banning it entirely is not the perfect solution, but it's a step in the the direction of eradicating religions in France. The time of Christianity and Islam is way beyond us.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i like the slow stumble from "self-determination is a human right" to "eradicating religions in france"

"85% of the muslim women in france ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶦ ᵏⁿᵒʷ" really adds to the experience too, thank you

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, sorry, I didn't exprime myself correctly here. Let me rephrase it:

If you want to be christian or muslim, please be, I don't have nothing against you. But I'm not ok with parents forcing their religion down the throats of their kids.

And, let's face it, religion it's at an all time low, especially with newer generations like mine, and I don't like how boomers force their kids to "go to church", "dress in a certain manner", ecc, when the kids don't even believe.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Parents get to raise their kids. For instance, your parents raised you to believe that stripping someone's rights protects their rights.

They were wrong to do that, but they get to do that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My parents are Catholics, and it's also for that that I've begun disliking religions altogether.

Is banning dresses at a state-level a thing that shouldn't ever happen? Yes.

Do I agree with the banning of a robe that strips women of their identity? Still yes.

We humans are contradictory existencies

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Lol I like to joke that nothing turns you against Catholicism (or religion in general) like growing up Catholic.

I'm a hardliner on freedom and (safe) expression, full stop, but I def get where you're coming from.