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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Since physical sims are well physical items. They create ewaste. Whereas esim which is not a physical item, doesn't.

Just embrace better technology

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Mark my words, this is coming. Once RAM is cheaper than having multiple production lines, you'll buy phones with RAM that is disabled and you'll have the option of enabling it OTA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Let's not give them any more 'innovative' ideas.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't there a designated chip for the esim? From what I found, it looks like it is a physical Item too. We could of course argue that standard sim require a sim reader on the phone.

But the possibility to replace a SIM if defective without replacing the whole phone is an advantage. You can also swap sim really easily when travelling.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But the esim doesn't need to be at the edge of the phone body. It enables significant simplification in layout design.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think the size of a micro SIM is significant, considering the size of the phone it's in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry what? It creates a door, which needs to be sealed for IP rating, which needs to be located in physical relation to the edge of the phone body, needs power and data vias routed to/from which dictates the location of the radio, antennae etc. etc. etc.

It's absolutely impactful to the electronics design no matter the screen size, you just can't see all the decisions and compromises associated with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I didn't think about the amount of tiny little parts it needs around it. But what I meant by that is that once a phone gets wasted, all the micro-tiny cables and plastic SIM door and the SIM's collective weight and volume are quite minuscule, compared to the phone's weight and volume. It's an improvement, for a fact. But is it really worth gutting that phone of the SIM slot for such a tiny improvement?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In theory, I like esims.

In practice, I worry that the manufacturers/networks will screw us over somehow as you can't just take their SIM out...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In my country you have to pay €10 every time you reset your phone to download the esim.

Think I'll pass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In my country I was given the physical sim for free from Best buy. I felt like I was stealing walking out the store with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What network and where? Many (the majority) networks offer it for free. There is talk of regulation forcing it to be free to download too, and it can't come soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So does upgrading your phone every year. Yes, people do that.