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[–] [email protected] 170 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Serious question. Is it possible to do this with very large populations? It seems like it might get inherently more complicated with several tiers of government (federal, state, county, city, etc...)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It definitely feels like Dunbar's Number is a gate to keep this from being effective in large communities.

If we can't view more than a finite amount of other humans as being "real," how do we begin to get massively large groups of humans to care for one another? This is a question I don't have the answer to.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too.

I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

"I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol.

Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Exactly. We could also eliminate carbon emissions by moving everything via unicorns and fairy dust.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Military Intelligence"

Two words combined that can't make sense 🎵

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

based megadeth

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

A contradiction in terms? Fantasy?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never older than like 12 hours

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Bold assumption that it'd take that long

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Wtf is an uncorrupt capitalist society? We have to try to keep both in check and will never be perfect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly I believe this to be a way more important issue to discuss than the whole capitalism vs socialism vs communism vs whatever else argument. If your ideas can easily be perverted by corruption then it won't work.

I have some ideas but I'm just some idiot on the internet. I think you need checks and balances. Have at least two groups with similar power at odds with one another. One example is corporation vs government. But I don't think just 2 groups is good enough. Ideally you probably want 3 groups at the very least. I know many governments around the world already uses this sort of structure internally (eg different branches of government), but I don't think these solutions take into account the existence of mega corporations that can act across country borders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

you mean for example germanys separated power of the legislative, executive and judicative powers? yeah, that works out pretty shit.