this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
108 points (98.2% liked)
linuxmemes
21223 readers
91 users here now
Hint: :q!
Sister communities:
- LemmyMemes: Memes
- LemmyShitpost: Anything and everything goes.
- RISA: Star Trek memes and shitposts
Community rules (click to expand)
1. Follow the site-wide rules
- Instance-wide TOS: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
- Lemmy code of conduct: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html
2. Be civil
- Understand the difference between a joke and an insult.
- Do not harrass or attack members of the community for any reason.
- Leave remarks of "peasantry" to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the thing you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.
- Bigotry will not be tolerated.
- These rules are somewhat loosened when the subject is a public figure. Still, do not attack their person or incite harrassment.
3. Post Linux-related content
- Including Unix and BSD.
- Non-Linux content is acceptable as long as it makes a reference to Linux. For example, the poorly made mockery of
sudoin Windows. - No porn. Even if you watch it on a Linux machine.
4. No recent reposts
- Everybody uses Arch btw, can't quit Vim, and wants to interject for a moment. You can stop now.
Please report posts and comments that break these rules!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Can we all just pretend Red Hat and its derivatives/relatives no longer exist? It's clear that the leadership behind these projects don't care about open source anymore. There are plenty of options for Linux operating systems that actually care about user freedom, privacy, and openness. Anything with Red Hat backing it no longer gets to claim they support any of these.
Install Debian, install Arch. If you must, install Ubuntu (though they're not much better these days). Anything but Red Hat.
Don't forget SUSE :D
Everyone always forgets SUSE :(
SuSE needs a better package manager. Zypper was cool back in the day, but no longer cuts it, especially when you compare it to the likes of dnf5.
Totally disagree, but that's a given when it comes to package managers I think. I showed my coworker who was RHEL to the core some neat Zypper features and he was pretty impressed. One feature I think is cool that I don't think anyone else has is zypper ps which shows processes with open file handles to files that were updated. I also really like the way it handles conflict resolution and the same package in multiple repos.
Lets say I wanted a distro with more bleeding edge packages but not something DIY like Arch, what would you recommend?
Nowadays I use EndeavourOS. It's Arch bit "just works" Graphical installer, you choose a DE, it automatically installs audio, media codecs etc. But under the hood it's still Arch so you get daily updates and AUR
I use Calam Arch Installer which is a graphical installer not unlike those used on other distros but for vanilla Arch. Garuda and Manjaro use the same installer but with their tweaks. Calam installer is standard Arch.
I wouldn't really can arch diy. I run arch. I have way fewer problems with it than any other distro
CachyOS. It's arch based, but the installer is really good, and it has great repos. It also has a lot of optimizations for modern cpus
Don’t you think that’s a bit extreme? I don’t think that the community debating opt-out telemetry qualifies fedora as not supporting open source. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Fedora is a community run project, meaning basically all of it has to be open source.
There's so much dumb fud spread about fedora and RHEL anymore it's not worth the time arguing about it.
It's exhausting, and shit like this is truly one of the most toxic aspects of the FOSS community.
I am also very tired of debating it too. It seems like these people are more content with being angry about it than understanding the move and disagreeing with it
RHEL is the core IT/SysAdmin crowd. Anyone looking to get into this career space gets a copy of The Linux Bible and runs Fedora to get started. A lot of the Linux core functionality comes from, and is maintained by RH. This is not just a desktop choice for users. If you really want to get to a kernel hacking type of understanding of Linux RHEL documentation is a great baseline where there is info that does not exist in any other source except reading the source code.
You cannot say that the derivatives of RHEL don't support foss, as all of them are community made/maintained. Also TECHNICALLY speaking RedHat did not breach the GPL, as it allows for selling of foss projects... Not saying that it's not a dick move, just saying that it's TECHNICALLY legal...
Alright, let's say I'm a Windows user who wants to dual-boot Linux and was planning on Fedora because I've heard it's pretty good for someone transferring over from that OS, but this telemetry bullshit has turned me away.
What would you say is next best?
Honestly, Ubuntu would be a good place to start learning. Then once you're feeling brave, Debian. Then once you're really feeling cocky, Arch will happily take you down a few pegs.
Yea, OK. I was a Red Hat apologist and kept using Fedora for a while but after this sadly I think it's time to go back to Debian. Thank God I didn't install Fedora on my new server which I was going to set up next weekend.
Red Hat is the new Windows.