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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What action was the general public supposed to take? Opposing voices have ended up in jail or worse. If you think this can't happen to you in your country then you're very much mistaken!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the whole country revolts they take over. They are complacent

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's this "whole country" thing...how do you get that to happen? No, I'm seriously asking cause as an American, I wanna know how we can revolt for healthcare and a livable wage. Just takes all of us right? Maybe tomorrow 🤞

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In other countries, when things got bad enough, people would revolt all over the country like a wildfire. Basically, people decided to stop showing up at work and start occupying government's buildings so the government can't function. Police will initially show up and arrest people, but after a few days they'll eventually give up because they simply can't arrest all those people. Military may show up, and depending on how tight the relationship between the military and the current government, the military may decide to back the government and start a civil war, or side with the people and strip the current government from power. We had the latter happened in our country so things got resolved pretty fast and the new government successfully set up without prolonged bloodshed (though bloodshed did happen and many innocent lives lost due to clash with the authorities or looters targeting minorities to rob their home during the chaos).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't Putin and the war have 80% approval rating up until very recently?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its funny that people like you believe in this bullshit, and then shit on russians for believing in propoganda as if you dont do the same :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We don't know the real numbers and likely will not be able to know. When one of the answers has the potential to land you in prison, public polls are pretty useless.

However, if you talk to any anti-war Russians, they will tell you that from their observations the majority support the war and the 70-80% figure is in the right ballpark. Explicit support is just too common. A person who doesn't support the war will probably say that he doesn't want to answer the question or discuss the topic. They won't say that they want Ukraine eradicated.

Every population is susceptible to propaganda. But Russia is on a completely different level. For many, when they see something with their own eyes but the TV says the opposite, they believe the TV. And the TV says blatantly and easily verifiably false things. Such blatant propaganda wouldn't work in the West.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Such blatant propaganda wouldn't work in the West.

Stop the steal!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thats because some anti-war people have unrealistic expectations to what they consider support. Not enough to just not like it. Anything less then beaten up by police and lost yout job on protest is not enough. Hell, before Navalny got to prison there were rumours, every now and then, that he is kremlin project to divide opposition, so the barrier to count as antiwar could be even "actively tortured in prison" for some.

When in reality 75% of the population dont give a fuck and wont care both if putin conquers europe or if they are separated from moscow by 4 new country borders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah I also heard the American banking system is as strong as ever... 👀. Not like they'd actually tell us and risk a bank run!