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If you see someone stealing food... No you didn't
Stealing food doesn't mean you're immoral, it means society is immoral.
No. It means your stealing food. Some people just like to fucking steal.
Excluding mental disorders. I do not think anybody likes to steal, atleast not initially. They may have normalized it, even to the point where it may become second nature, or a habit. If there is a lot of such peope, society have failed them a long time ago.
The rich. It's their entire lifestyle.
Exactly, you can't become rich without taking what's not yours. I don't care poor people stealing food and condoms, I care about rich people stealing people's retirement funds and shit like that.
That is a mental illness or disease no less than narcism or alcoholism. Rich people aren't special, and they are sick. They also happen to exploit others in a way that feeds back into that sickness. It appears important bc they have so much but its just coincidence, disease and the complexity of socitey that makes it hard to change so that there illness can be treated.
Nah. Some people do it for the kick and because the cashier doesn't care. It's not their job to prevent you from stealing.
But why should anyone steal bread except when they literally can't pay. The ones I know that steal for the kick are stealing chips and smaller sweets. Not normal groceries.
*You're.
Can't you be a cold-hearted, miserly, withered, and bitter Scrooge and yet use basic grammar correctly?
Voice to text. I don't always look closely enough. And have fun denying reality. Most people live in the real world and hate thieves.
Go back to reddit you bootlicking dickbag
Let me guess, you came here from /r/shoplifting?
I find the levels of empathy between commenters here fascinating. Here we have an effective psychopath, apparently very little capacity for empathy, no understanding, a clear lack of ability to walk in another's shoes. There is nothing for sympathy and compassion to flow from.
What is your life about? Just winning? Bitches and money? Something like that?
You apparently have so much empathy that you're able to guess what a hypothetical theif is thinking. What about the empathy for those who are being stolen from?
The multi million grocer won't even notice a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter go missing it's literally built into their margins
Hope the theft was worth the charges.
For someone that needs to steal food it absolutely is... That's why they're doing it...
And all I'm saying is not everybody that steals food needs to steal food. There are actually kleptomaniacs all over the place and /r/shoplifting is good evidence.
And I just saw a clit piercing in r/bodymods so clearly everyone who has an earring has genital piercings
And what everyone is trying to tell you is we can stand 1 person in 10 who steals doing it for fun because the other 9 are doing it to survive. We're ok with 1 person needing counseling if 9 others get to wake up tomorrow.
So just for fun I decided to investigate. It appears that yhe nearest food bank is about 45 minutes from where I live by car. Which I can't afford if I can't afford food. So it's really just over 2 hours both ways by public transit (we're gonna assume I can afford that). So we're talking 5 hours just to get a night's worth of food (I hope you like cold beans and stale bread). Now there does appear to be 2 options closer. 1 that requires I enroll online (with what computer/network idk, hope your local library is still recieving funding) and the other is a once a week church meal. So idk, to me that doesn't feel super livable.
Meals on wheels, food stamps, WIC, etc.
So at this point it's clear you don't actually know what you're talking about since you're just listing grocery assistance programs even though I just outlined their shortcomings. I truly hope you never have a night on the streets
How much you want to bet this person votes for the party that wants to eliminate all those things they just "recommended"?
I mean- I get where you are coming from- but it is actually pretty easy to get on SNAP (foodstamps). They just outright give you a card to use only for food. Like 400usd (more if you have a kid). I personally don't get it but I have helped others get on it. I also couldn't eat 400 usd worth of food a month.
Is snap really that easy to apply for? I was looking into it a while ago and I thought you had to provide proof of income (or lack thereof) and shit. Maybe I need to change my viewpoint here
You do need to provide proof of income (or lack thereof). It's not hard to do. Also don't have more than 3k in your bank account. Which if these things are true then you are the exact people SNAP is for. Basically if you go to your local human resources office (or create an account online) you just fill out the application and provide the asked for documents.
The incidence of kleptomania is small, and the collective damage done by those with such a pathology is almost certainly a rounding error at most to these corporations. These stores likely throw away more than they have stolen from them, r/dumpsterdiving is good evidence.
A shop is not a person. They're not breaking into your house and stealing, they're shoplifting food. I've worked in a shop, you should see how much shit just goes into a fucking dumpster. A shoplifter isn't even a blip on the daily waste radar.
Empathy is literally about understanding the feelings of others.
It's about putting yourself in their shoes, and ask yourself how you would feel in their situation. What led to them being where they are today. Sure some people like to steal, but the vast majority of food thieves in society today are literally going hungry otherwise, often due to situations outside of their control.
What would you do if you lost your ability to feed your family tomorrow, lost your job, many folks would lean on family or friends, but what if those weren't in the picture, or in a position to help. Imagine what state of mind you would be in. Would you risk getting caught stealing some storebrand food if it meant feeding yourself or your family?
Now, let's say this particular instance isnt that. This is just someone stealing for the fun of it. You can't honestly say that the above scenario doesn't happen every single day, all over the world? Should we not try to help those people, even if it means someone may benefit from it that doesn't need that assistance? Or that we shouldn't help them because it wouldn't completely eliminate shoplifting, so why bother? Since obviously the risk of being caught doesn't also eliminate shop lifting, why bother with it then?
And it's obvious that the threat of being caught doesn't eliminate this behavior, since desperate people literally steal to survive, and the thrill seekers are literally drawn by the danger, is it not in the store owners best interest to help those in need, as it will eliminate that segment of shoplifting? Eliminating food/housing insecurity is the first step on getting those that are so desperate back on their feet, and becoming functioning, productive members of society.
So yeah, having empathy with someone who is struggling (maybe not this person, but all those who steal food) is far more productive than assuming the worst in them and feeling vindicated.
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Imagine defending criminals who are harming others by their actions.
If they're stealing it to eat, sure.
If they're stealing it so they can sell warm coat meat down the local flat roof pub and spend the proceeds on heroin, then... you probably also want to pretend you didn't see it because you're not paid enough to be stabbed by a junkie with a used syringe.
You're probably not paid at all