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Not having kids because of climate change is stupid. You are leaving the world in the hands of people who care less than you.
I'll be dead before then and if I don't make offspring then so will anyone I care about. Y'all have fun destroying the planet lol
That's pretty much where I'm at. I'm not gonna rope more people into this mess voluntarily.
I upvoted because this contributes to the discussion of the question, but fuck you
Well that's rather uncalled for isn't it
Yes, it's a less than egalitarian choice, I acknowledge that, but my empathy is only finite.
Counter opinion.... Given the terrible trajectory of our world and society as a whole. Plus how every living generation has failed to do even the bear minimum to solve it... You're kind of a shitty human being by condemning your children to suffer our mistakes.
Not to mention, you're not that awesome and ultimately part of the problem, so maybe we don't need more of you (or me for that matter).
My parents put me on this world which is on the trajectory it is, I do not blame them. At least I have the opportunity to do good in the world.
But you dont? You instead just say "well my parents did it, so I'll do it to"
I agree with everything you said. The path to a brighter future is not more humans, its fewer. The idea that thoughtful, intelligent people should feel obligated to reproduce for the benefit of humanity is ridiculous.
This would only make sense if morality, or caring for others was somehow genetic AND unalterable. My parents aren't bad, per se, but most of my moral and philosophical growth came from other people. Be it teachers, random people, philosophers, or Breadtube.
Of course it is not entirely certain that offspring will have the same ideals as their parents, but it's clear to see that younger generations are moving in the right direction whereas older generations find it harder to change their behaviour and values.
Maybe the people who care less than me and have kids will find that their kids do care and resent their parents
Is that a chance you want to take?
I think the odds are fairly good, but I'm also just not concerned about my legacy. If after I die the world is overrun with morons a la Idiocracy I won't be around to lament it.
The you do not care about the world at all?
Outside family and friends, not much. And certainly not enough to police how future generations behave. If the only humans left 100 years from now decide to make it something I'd hate, that's their right. The dead can't lord over the living
Setting aside how needlessly passive-aggressive your comment isβ most people don't care about the world at large. They care about their family, their social circle, their tribe/in-group, but not the world at large. Otherwise climate change wouldn't be as big of an issue in the first place.
My point is that we should care about the world at large and we should lead by example.
Then you did a very poor job of making that point through your (presumably rhetorical) question.
If you look at the reply from the person I was actually talking to, you will see that they do not care for the world as a whole. I was not making the point in the comment you are referring to, I was just replying to that person.
But the leading cause of climate change is overpopulation.
There were 3 billion humans on this planet in 1960. There are 8 billion humans right now. And all those humans are producing waste, using energy, etc.
Even if we reduce the per-capita ecological footprint, weβre outbreeding the gains we make.
If I were to choose to have kids despite climate change, doesn't that prove that I don't care about climate change?
The point is that climate change is bigger than one or two people, it's about changing our entire societies so that we all agree that reversing the affects of climate change is the ultimate goal and work together to do something about it. Sure adding people into the mix is not ideal, but without more people with the right mindset we will never achieve the change that is needed.
Let's not leave the world to the people that couldn't care less and will continue to ravage it for all they can until it is a desolate wasteland.
Environmentalists do not have a snowball's chance in hell of outbreeding the βdrill, baby, drillβ crowd.
Snowflake's chance is a more fun analogy. Don't get offended, it's a joke.
Everyone should be sterilised, problem solved!
To be fair, the world would be perfectly well off if humans ceased to exist
Yep
https://www.vhemt.org/