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Ah yes, the famous liberal, George Bush.
Holy shit guys he almost gets it.
You're right there dude. Micrometers from figuring it out.
When you draw the line of Liberal v Conservative so far to the right it includes George Bush, it ceases to lose all meaning.
Liberals were so proud to have Dick Cheney's endorsement last election. And they were big mad that GWB didn't endorse.
Liberalism is the ideological component of Capitalism. Conservativism is a type of Liberalism.
You do know that the wars spanned multiple administrations including democratic ones right? Also all American politicians of "both" parties are liberals.
Bill Clinton launched "Operation Desert Fox" to prepare and position the US imperial army ahead of "Operation Iraqi Freedom"
That is all accurate and I don't disagree with you. But the picture was of an invasion under Bush, not Clinton, so I responded as such.
The problem that I take is l:
I'm wondering what your definition of Liberal is. Up until like 2020, it was Liberal v Conservative and when I look it up in the dictionary I get "Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."
But Liberal on Lemmy appears to be anything to the right of a theoretical Star Trek post scarcity utopia.
The internationally recognized measure of left-right. Not the uniquely American one that's skewed all to fuck.
There is no left at all in American politics. The closest we've gotten is Bernie Sanders. He's a moderate everywhere but here.
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the parties of the US and was an imperial war that would have occurred no matter who was the "president" of the US
Both parties in the US share an ideological commitment to capitalism and function as a uniparty to manage the empire. From the ~~CIA~~ Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
This has some good aspects and is an improvement from the monarchies that came before it but he clear problems that Marx brought into question in the 19th century. As capitalists have progressed, liberalism in the US particularly has become neoliberalism which is not something communists want and is a precursor to fascism. Liberals fight socialists and communists to maintain their private property and capitalism.
If you are talking in the context as an American of that ridiculous farce of a government "liberals" means the Democratic party, to an anarchist outsider, they are all liberals. I do not believe in or support private property or market economies and think they come in direct opposition to economic and political freedom.
Noe liberal and neo con differences are how you "kiss babies"/comment on social and cultural issues, while electioneering to make the war mongering big bucks from power.