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When I hear marxists say that all property should be collectively owned I imagine that means personal property as well, because if it doesn't then it's incorrect for them to say that they think all property should be collectively owned.
It's a shorthand, it's hard to distill the nuances and complexities of a very dense and historied ideology. Getting into the nuances of property ownership would take a lot longer, because usually said conversations end up being about where the line between private, public, and personal property is drawn. Such conversations are rarely productive and miss the greater picture, and require extensive explanation of Dialectical and Historical Materialism to even get into the why of collectivizing production.
I think most people interpret that shorthand literally just like I did, which then immediately turns them away. You could probably save yourself a lot of arguments by coming up with a different shorthand that more effectively communicates your point.
Probably! There's also a century of Red Scare propaganda distorting popular opinion, doctoring of Marx's actual beliefs, and more. Such issues delayed my progress, which is why I try to do the best I can to try to meet people where they are at.