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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This sort of situation is how I knew my wife was/is a keeper. When I was pushed to the point where my negative emotions got too much, she was there for me. She didn't shy away, but stepped in to help and support me.

In many of my previous relationships, showing negative emotions was lethal to their feelings. I could be happy, or stoic, but never upset or depressed.

On a side note, I had a chat with a trans friend once, regarding emotions. When they transitioned, the intensity of their emotions didn't change much. However, their ability to contain them plummeted. Basically, men and women feel emotions similarly. Men are just a lot more able to bottle them up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm trans and, until I started HRT, had very little access to my emotions. I would desperately want to cry, and just would be unable. Or I would know I was supposed to be having some kind of emotional reaction to something, and just...wouldn't.

Very very soon after getting my hormones straightened out, I discovered that I was having emotions in sympathy with characters on tv or in movies. If I was sad I could actually cry for a bit and process the emotion rather than having to channel it into anger or physicality. It was like living in color instead of black and white, this whole arena of human experience I'd read about but hadn't ever really felt.

I've heard the same from trans guys as well; they didn't ever feel like their emotions made sense until they got on T.

My now-ex reacted to this, first with concern, then with contempt.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is very interesting to me.

As a cis male, I do have trouble accessing emotions sometimes.

However movies and music can give me overwhelming emotions. I start crying from the smallest wholesome moments in anime and movies.

There are times in life I wish I could, so I sometimes use music as a tool to trigger the response in myself just so I can get the emotions out and processed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Art for catharsis. 👍🏻

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm a cis guy and I also struggle with expressing my emotions, but I think that it's more of a cultural thing. Like I'm not really "allowed" to cry from watching a TV show and it's difficult to shake it off even when I'm alone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've learned to free my emotions a lot more by studying Acting (by, for a few years, doing short acting courses as an adult whilst living in London): it turns out modern acting techniques - the stuff that roughly falls under the Method Acting umbrella - are all about feeling truthfully as if you were indeed that character you're playing living that specific situation, so essentially I had a pretty much judgment free (in terms of other people judging you) license to let myself go and fully feel and show it (as that "person" which was the character in that situation).

Curiously it also unlocked my empathy (which turns out to be so high I'll literally yawn from seeing animals yawn) though I'm not sure if my blocking of most of my Empathy until then was due to social expectations on how men are supposed to behave or a childhood self-defense mechanism due to one of my parents being VERY intense and emotionally selfish (it makes sense I would block it merely not to constaly be overwhelmed by somebody else's rollercoaster of emotions).

All this even though I'm Portuguese and thus grew up in a culture were people are very expressive (compared to what I saw living in both Northern European and Anglo-Saxon countries, so think something like Italians), and all that expressiveness is backed by actual emotion (people really are enthusiastic or angry or saddened by what the other person telling you their story went through), though I would say that the range of emotions men are socially expected to express is limited to mainly positive emotional states or anger-related emotions.

Anyways, just my 2c as I think it's an unusual point of view and maybe food for thought.

PS: One of the things I learned in Acting is that not only does your body follow your mind but also your mind follows your body (really: if you have any ability for introspection try walking with a confident walk and see how it makes you feel. Then try a downtrodden walk or a fearful walk) which kind dovetails with the whole idea that if you're not expected to show certain kinds of emotional states you end up not feeling such emotions in day to day (except when you're overwhelmed by it and it hits you like a ton of bricks).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I had that too. When you're a cis male adult you've had decades of social conditioning telling you that's not allowed. I'm gay but being born in Spain I was brought up in a traditional macho culture. I'd "pass" except for those with the most finely tuned gaydar, not because I tried hiding it by the time I realised but because I was conditioned to fit in the straight cis male behaviour box.

It took me a few years of unlearning trying to shake it off myself and what helped most, a loving partner who is in tune with his emotions. I have gotten immensely better at understanding and expressing my emotions, verbally or otherwise, and also doing that without channelling them into "proxy" emotions that are acceptable for macho expectations and culture.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

For my it wasn't about expressing them, it was about feeling them at all. Only the very very strongest ones could even crack through.

Of course there was also the fact that my father threatened to beat me for crying "if I didn't have a reason", so there are obviously confounding factors, but interventions like therapy, meditation, changing my name, presenting female all the time, etc didn't have anywhere near as much effect on my access to emotions as a couple of weeks on HRT.

They were all helpful in different ways (sometimes enormously so), but it felt like there was an impedance mismatch between my conscious mind and the rest of my body, and the HRT fixed it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

There's a great book called The Tao of Fully Feeling that helped me a ton with this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

On a side note, I had a chat with a trans friend once, regarding emotions. When they transitioned, the intensity of their emotions didn't change much. However, their ability to contain them plummeted

In my experience this isn't universal. I'm trans myself, and I've talked about this with a lot of my trans friends and we've all had pretty different experiences with the emotional aspects of transitioning.

Personally, I definitely had a really hard time containing my emotions early transition. They felt so unfamiliar. It felt like I had gained an entirely new set of emotions, and I had to relearn how to cope with them. It didn't help that I was going through the early stages of puberty-which is already a time of heightened emotions-while dealing with the loss of my entire support network.

Now that I'm more settled into my life as a woman: I'm accustomed to how I experience my emotions, I have a loving support network around me, and I'm in a new job where people treat me with respect; I feel like I have a much firmer handle on my emotions than I ever did pre-transiton.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Able to? Maybe, maybe not. Required to? Definitely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We can never truly say for sure, but it's the closest situation that can give a side by side comparison. Either testosterone allows better emotional inhibition, or estrogen reduces it. The main point is that men aren't emotionless. Our emotions are just as strong as women's, we are just better able to contain them (for better or worse).

Society then amplifies what is already there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're going off of a sample size of one. Somebody who is transitioning probably has a lot more factors in play than a change in hormone levels.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was when she started on the hormones. Apparently, it wasn't surprising to her friends going through the same process.

Unfortunately, I only know 1 trans person well enough to ask them about it. Also, considering it's a binary (either men feel less, or are better at containing it), I would be surprised if it goes the opposite ways when transitioning.

It's not a scientific study however, just an interesting and relevant observation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Puberty makes everyone emotional, regardless of gender. Women are not in constant puberty, and are not constantly overflowing with emotions.

And while some women may have strong support networks that allow them to be more openly emotional, that is not the baseline for all women and it never has been.

Men are not better at containing their emotions either, if they were violent crime and sexual harrassment would be much less of an issue.

This idea that if women aren't behaving like men about their problems, they must not be having problems- is a really short sighted one.

(All uses of 'men' and 'women' here are trans inclusive.)