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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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I said something along the lines of:

"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."

Along with

"Nah, the more dead ~~corpos~~ dragons, the better."

In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.

...

Good ole' civility clause.

Whats the paradox of tolerance?

.world mods have never heard of it I guess.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A 24 hour temp ban for celebrating violence is actually pretty reserved. Certainly not power tripping.

[–] Vent@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Denying millions of legitimate claims that directly leads to many people being physically harmed or dying is violence on a large scale. So is lobying the government to keep healthcare in shambles for hundreds of millions of people.

It's a less visible, less gorey form of violence than a gun, but violence that begets mass suffering and death nonetheless.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you define that as violence then everything is violence and nothing is legitimate. Overly broad definitions meant to paralyze society are a form of violence because people will die if we take no action, but we can't take action because Vent defined that as violence.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All I'm getting from this is that you're fine with people needlessly dying as long as the death wasn't a direct result of violence.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course not. But more death isn't the answer. Because we've seen that route and it doesn't end the cycle. Check out France and Russia. They didn't solve anything with their incredibly violent reprisals against their ruling classes. The only way to end this cycle is to end the existence of a wealthy elite. Which you can do by taking their money away.

[–] Vent@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

What about WWII? The US Revolution? The US civil war? The Haitian Revolution? Is France really worse off now? Ukraine?

Violence / death is very rarely the answer to anything, but it's a cold hard fact that sometimes it is, especially when you start bringing war and revolutions into it, lmao.

The only way to end this cycle is to end the existence of a wealthy elite. Which you can do by taking their money away.

"Hand over your money, please!"

To be clear, I'm not advocating for killing anyone in the streets, and vigilante justice like this is not something I'd like to see, but the blanket response of "violence bad" is plain wrong.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The US Revolution wasn't anything like the French and Russian ones. Haiti was but it wasn't Haitians that screwed them over afterwards, it was the US. So maybe they could have been the one time where an orgy of violence worked?

To be clear, I’m not advocating for killing anyone in the streets, and vigilante justice like this is not something I’d like to see, but the blanket response of “violence bad” is plain wrong.

Except you're here defending exactly that.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

Based on your arguments here you're basically saying that celebrating (or maybe even even simply not condemning?) this act of violence means that you must tacitly endorse this type of violence, correct? That's a very long bow to draw.

I think most people, myself included, would much prefer a non-violent way to prevent capitalists from profiting directly from the physical and financial misery of sick and dying people. Like maybe some stronger laws, better regulation and enforcement, and active prosecution of non-compliant companies and their bosses, for a start, right? But in the seeming absence of that possibility, why not let folks have their schadenfreude moment in peace?