this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2023
228 points (98.7% liked)

Europe

8485 readers
1 users here now

News/Interesting Stories/Beautiful Pictures from Europe ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

(Current banner: Thunder mountain, Germany, ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช ) Feel free to post submissions for banner pictures

Rules

(This list is obviously incomplete, but it will get expanded when necessary)

  1. Be nice to each other (e.g. No direct insults against each other);
  2. No racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities or glorification of National Socialism allowed;
  3. No posts linking to mis-information funded by foreign states or billionaires.

Also check out [email protected]

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The "way less popular NPD" ban failed, because the NPD was way less popular. Cite from DW article (2017): "Although the party's attitude to the constitution has been deemed hostile, it does not have the potential to upend democracy in Germany, the court said."

Same popularity as the SPD (aka 20%) means that the party is not irrelevant like the NPD. So if the party's attitude to the constitution has been deemed hostile and it does indeed have the potential to upend democracy in Germany this should be the perfect time to ban this party.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So if the party's attitude to the constitution has been deemed hostile and it does indeed have the potential to upend democracy in Germany this should be the perfect time to ban this party.

Problem being, when one voter every 5 supports a party, it's not that simple as you're basically saying 20% of your entire population is unfit according to the constitution.

It's a suicide, politically speaking

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Problem being, when one voter every 5 supports a party, it's not that simple as you're basically saying 20% of your entire population is unfit according to the constitution.

But it's true! Which make's the whole thing fucking dangerous. That's exactly the reason the constitution does have articles in it meant to combat this very thing.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It may be a cynical argument but... People who wrote Grundgesetz doesn't need to be elected anymore, people who does politics today, instead, needs to.

We live in a democracy, at the very end, the electorate is the true final judge.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenched_clause#Germany
Germany's constitution protects certain parts from changed through regular legislation. This was done specifically to prohibit the rise of authoritarian governments.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It still buys time, they are real fascists and dangerous

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There are many more citizens than voters. Only around 72% of those, who are allowed to, vote and this also leaves out the people who are not allowed to.