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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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0. Only post socialist memes

That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)

1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here

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as well as condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.

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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).

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The only dangerous minority is the rich.

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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Without a state, what would constitute an army and what would it fight over?

If Russians are freely allowed to roam into France, and French into Russia, what would be the matter of the war, and ultimately, what would define French or Russian as a nationality?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you go back in history a bit, then wars were fought to steal, plunder, enslave, and to spread religions or ideologies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Which is something that we'll have to deal with using internal forces.

If it's a global state, then there should be peacekeepers - the benefit here is that we can literally use armed forces of an entire world, though accountability is a must here. If it's an anarchy - militias can help solve it - it would be a harder balance, but it's doable and comes with less corruption.

Also, people freely moving across the world would lead to a gradual unification of culture, which should take at least religious/racial/ethnical extremism out of the question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Should an anarchist community be able to exclude people?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Probably yes. And accept, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Then you will get segregation by ideology, culture, ethnicity, religion etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Inevitably, to some extent. But such enclaves will likely be small in size, which wouldn't let the global scale conflict develop.

States have power of all on behalf of certain group, which isn't much true for the anarchist community.

(With that said, I think anarchism is full of assumptions and I'm not sure it's the ideal way forward; but it's worth mentioning nonetheless)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I just think that anarchist societies are fragile.

Self segregation isn’t necessarily a bad thing either.