this post was submitted on 26 Oct 2024
812 points (86.3% liked)

BestOfLemmy

7082 readers
200 users here now

Manual curation of great Lemmy discussions and threads

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure sounded like it. I just want to be clear: It's not going to be a landslide. It's going to be nail-bitingly close. People shouldn't lie to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's a call for votes as increasing distance between Harris and trump counts represent increasing the challenge of stealing the election.

"A landslide" represents the Highwater mark of the point, wherein it is completely impossible for trump to steal, and is illustrative in that it identifies the goal.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Does it look like we're going to reach that goal? Is Harris running the kind of campaign that can actually obtain a landslide?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who knows. That's not what's being discussed.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes it is! They literally said that votes from "people like me" would make a landslide.

That's a joke. Most of the people like me are fringe and irrelevant. We can't give her a landslide, even if all of .ml and lemmygrad and hexbear voted for Harris.

She will not get a landslide because she is running a bad campaign. It has nothing to do with a few irrelevant leftists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I checked the above chain, and don't see landslide aside from the comment you.and I are discussing. Perhaps it's elsewhere but not in the chain I'm referring to.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Re read my point.

They do not claim in that statement that a landslide is coming.

They are suggesting that if progressives voted Democrat, that a landslide COULD be more possible.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And I'm suggesting that Harris is not running the kind of campaign that can get progressives to vote for her.

I'm also suggesting that "people like me" probably aren't very common in the US. For one, I believe we should be giving critical support to Hamas and Hezbollah and Ansar Allah in their protracted people's struggle against the Zionist settler-colonial entity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Nobody with a vote is irrelevant. It is simply too big a risk to let Trump win again. We need every last vote. We need all the leftists, communists, anarchists, whoever. It isn't about supporting the system or Harris. It's about stopping an imminent catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Every Palestinian father is my father. Every Palestinian mother is my mother. Every sibling is my sibling, cousin is my cousin.

I won't vote for genocide. I won't. I'd rather kill myself. Just listening to the daily horrors coming from the Strip make me want to die. There's already catastrophe! So many children starving or getting limbs amputated or being sniped in the head by IOF.

I've listened to so many people beg for their lives. I've seen so many bodies.

I hate this country I hate this country I hate this country I HATE THIS COUNTRY

Fascism is here. Genocide is here. The catastrophe can not be stopped because THE UNITED STATES IS THE CATASTROPHE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And it will be worse if Trump becomes president. You can help stop that by voting. If you don't vote, you aren't resisting this coming to pass.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Unless Trump fucks it up and causes Israel to lose. Unless Trump triggers a popular backlash like he did in 2020 and causes another historical protest movement. Unless Democrats become a real opposition party again and refuse to help him do genocide.

We can't actually predict what will happen, so I'm just voting with my conscience instead of trying to play 5D chess with my vote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't need 5D chess to know that Trump would be worse. We have already seen it. Only last time he had sane people limiting his destruction. Now the lunatics are running the asylum.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

We already saw that he didn't destroy democracy or start WW3. You can credit that to "sane people" limiting him but the fact is that what we saw wasn't the Fourth Reich. It was just a shitty Republican president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The first cyanide pill didn't kill me, so the second won't either...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alternatively, the sky didn't fall last time so it probably won't fall this time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you remember that parable, the sky actually did fall that last time.

Also, for the 1.2 million Americans who died from Covid, the sky did fall last time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you remember the lesson of that parable, no one believes the chicken when the sky falls and the chicken has no one to blame but himself. You can't keep saying it's the most important election of our lifetimes because we stop believing it.

And maybe the sky falls this time, but it's the chicken's fault that we don't believe it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The lesson is also not to ignore a message of obvious danger because the messenger is flawed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's definitely not why people use Chicken Little as an Aesop. The lesson is that if you lie over and over, people won't believe you when it matters.

I certainly don't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Then judge by actions, not words. Since you care so much about Palestinians, how about voting for a candidate that is part of an administration that allows them to seek asylum in the US like Harris. Meanwhile Trump's whole thing is expelling immigrants and he initiated a Muslim ban the last time he was in office. Surely saving some Palestinians vs saving none is worth a vote?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Would you vote for half your family to be killed so the other half could maybe be spared? How do you choose which family members get to live and die? How would you live with yourself.

I plan to resist whoever is elected. Maybe you'll join me, instead of just waiting another four years to vote again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

In this scenario there is no third option where nobody dies. Either half your family dies or they all die. Sometimes all the power you have is saving who you can.

By all means, resist whoever is elected. Harris would cause fewer problems to fight over. By letting Trump win, you're just making it harder on everyone.